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Response to Freda
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FROM:
Doug Perry, Fellowship
Of The Martyrs, 6/2/08 (fotm@fellowshipofthemartyrs.com)
Hi Freda,
I'm going to
respond to your concerns here. I'm asking that you forward this
on to whoever you sent your original email to. Since I have no
way of knowing how many people are involved in this, you understand
that I have no way of responding to many of these accusations (by
Clare and others). I know that Christ is grieved by all
this and there WILL be an accounting. That is a fearsome thing.
I have spent
several weeks now – even while you were here – fasting from
defending myself or responding. I have waited for people to
come to me directly and yours is the first of ALL the videos or
emails that have gone out that was sent to ME. Even when you
were here, you knew that things were very wrong at 615. Why is
there no rebuke of anything you saw there? Does gossip and
bitterness and unforgiveness and looking to Man and bringing division
grieve God any less than bad doctrine – or even adultery?
In fact, isn't looking to Man automatically adultery. Your hand
is not balanced here – and in many cases you have not rightly
divided the Word of God.
Today the Lord
said that it has gone far enough and it's time to respond – in
love – and for the sake of the Bride. I pray that I will
speak nothing but TRUTH in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord. I pray
that anything of the enemy will be bound and mute. In the Name of
Jesus Christ.
And for the
record, I profess that Jesus Christ is the sinless, Son of God,
co-equal with God and part of the Trinity, born of a virgin, made
flesh, dwelt among us, lived a sinless life, was crucified for our
sins, rose again on the third day, was seen by witnesses, ascended to
the right hand of God and is our mediator and intercessor to the
Father. I have given all that I have for the Gospel of Jesus
Christ. He alone is my Lord and Master and Savior.
I pray that you
will see that there ARE those who are turned over to a strong
delusion – and when that happens, the Prince of the Air whispers
to them and they speak lies and accuse the brethren. If you
have been listening to ANY of those voices, I pray you would stop and
seek Him only.
That we
disagree on something theologically is not enough to divide the Body.
We ALL see through a glass darkly. All my videos and all I have ever
preached was, “DON'T look to me. Listen real good and do
whatever God tells you. And stop arguing about the stupid
stuff.” Many refused to listen – many are still
looking to me and obsessed with destruction.
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(Freda's email
- my comments in BOLD for clarity.)
Hi everybody,
To some of you
this is a new email. To others, it doubles as a reply. I am
sending this email to everybody, so that this may happen in the open,
and there may be no gossip over it at anytime.
There has been
very disturbing events recently that has brought me to this, though I
honestly wish this was not necessary. I’m sorry for not brining
this before everybody any earlier. Sometimes when I see something
that’s wrong, I can’t immediately find the words to express
it, and this was the case.
Doug, the evening
of May 1st, when you were explaining spiritual marriages to David, I
disagreed with what you said. I’m sorry that I didn’t say
it then, I didn’t know how.
I forgive you.
Marriage is sacred
in the eyes of my Lord. Even if we have gone our own way and married
somebody we should not have, God allows us to choose to sin. To
repent from this sin, is not to repent from being married.
Marriage itself is
not a sin (1 Cor 7:9 & v.28). To repent from this sin, is to
repent from not doing as God Wills. It is to say that you’re
sorry for not asking Him about that marriage, and to not do as you
please again. To call this marriage void, is not repenting for
disobeying my God, it is to further sin against Him, by breaking more
of His laws. Its like saying “Lord, I’m sorry for sinning
against You and marrying so-and-so whom You have not told me to
marry. I’m sorry for not listing for Your direction. I’ll
just divorce them now, although that’s breaking Your law, and
then we’ll call both these wrongs right.” This is called,
aggravating God. I cannot turn a blind eye to this, because then
I’d be judged as if I committed this sin myself.
That's not what
Ezra 10 says. Show me where in the Bible it says that we are to
stay in a ongoing, sinful situation after we have realized what we've
done. How is this different than living with someone or doing
drugs. You realize you shouldn't, you confess, then you REPENT –
you TURN AWAY. God DID do this at times in the Bible, so we
know that He is still capable of it. You may disagree, but you
don't have BIBLE to back you up. (Show me if I'm wrong.)
You misunderstand that marriage is first and foremost a THREE way
covenant – for it to be HOLY it must be between us and God.
And if He doesn't acknowledge it as a marriage – because it was
never His will and He is not obligated to endorse YOUR plans –
then there is no divorce in God's eyes (and no violation of His law)
because He never honored it in the first place.
At the heart of
this, you are arguing that WE get to tell God what to do. That He
MUST bless and honor a covenant that we make, even if it is directly
disobedient. Marriage is first and foremost a SPIRITUAL
union. What is a “non-spiritual marriage”?!
Should we be preaching those? Surely not? This is a holy estate
instituted by God. See the model – Adam and Eve were spiritual
beings first, not even aware they were naked, joined by the Father.
Only after the fall were they aware of their physical nakedness. And
it doesn't say that “Adam knew Eve” until she had Cain
outside of the Garden, after the fall.
You are mixing
and matching laws of Man and laws of God. Again, my assertion
is that you are NOT divorcing if God never honored it in the first
place. Now, just because you didn't hear Him tell you to marry
someone doesn't mean that His hand wasn't on it – it's not an
automatic. But Clare herself heard from the Lord that her last
marriage was adulterous and that God never honored it. She was told
SPECIFICALLY beforehand not to marry John. She lived 21 years in what
God said all along was an adulterous affair. Because she didn't get
married in church? Because her first husband was alive? NO. Because
God told her not to and she did it anyway. And she left HIM, an
unbeliever – and God told her to. I have no doubt. But wouldn't
that violate His Word? Shouldn't she stay? How could God tell
her to leave? Because it was never a marriage in the first place.
This generation
is hearing God better than any previous. I really believe that He is
pouring His Spirit out on all flesh and more and more people are
hearing and seeing and having dreams and visions. And more and more
people are reporting to me that God specifically and forcefully told
them that the person they THOUGHT they were married to according to
the laws of Man was NOT their husband (or wife).
I didn't
“make up” some doctrine of marriage. I'm simply
trying to describe and understand what I'm seeing all around me,
including in Clare's walk. She is absolutely, positively NOT obeying
the letter of the Law if it says you're not to remarry. You
could say that John was an unbeliever so she's release, but SHE left,
not John. And now, God told her to marry Gary. And she didn't
come and tell me she was GOING to get married. She said that they
already were according to what she heard from God.
I'm not
preaching any of this stuff. I have no videos or writings about it.
I'm simply trying to understand something that is beyond what we have
previously understood. I don't think God is honoring (acknowledging
and submitting to and considering Holy) the laws and covenants of Man
nearly as much as we think. Nor is He honoring commitments that
we have made that were outside His will in the first place.
Marriage is
ONLY holy when it is inside God's will and initiated by Him.
Otherwise it is just a tax-savings plan and should be called a civil
union or something. I'm not inventing this, I'm just trying to
get my head around ALL the dozens and dozens of bits of data –
and the things in the Word that don't line up with what you are
asserting. Is THIS enough reason to divide the body?
I'm not going
to respond to you about things related to Chris, because I am not he,
nor is he following ME – each man will be judged according to
his OWN works. Chris has already responded to you on some of
this. I wonder if you have forwarded that email along to all the
people that heard the accusations against him?
Chris, .... {left
out for space}
However ...
Chris, while
I’m on the subject, I have to tell you that I was horrified this
morning to see your youtube video! In it, you called your ex-wife, a
Jezebel. Do you not know that Jezebel is a spirit?
Jezebel was
clearly a real live person, just like Elijah or Jesus or David.
Even in Revelation, Jesus is referring to a person ACTING like
Jezebel. Where in the word is there a demon named Jezebel? If
there is not, then you need to repent for the accusation and you need
to repent for your pride.
Again, 1 Cor 7:12
says that you are not to send an unbelieving wife away. Especially if
you married her before you came to my Lord (1 Cor. 7:18). Why?
Because you might save that unbelieving spouse (1 Cor. 7:16).
I can respond
here because I was a witness to the original email from June saying
that she wanted no more to do with him and was initiating a
divorce. Multiple times she emailed him and stated that she
wanted nothing more to do with him. He did NOT leave her.
Eventually a divorce proceeding was initiated, but not at Chris'
urging. That June lied and didn't follow through does not
negate that she left – and the Lord said to give her what she
wanted. I was there, I saw the email and am a witness to it.
She is an unbeliever by any measure (except “once saved, always
saved”) and I can't see how there can be any doubt of that based
upon her constant darkness and lies and murderous heart.
Now you have lived
as if you are divorced, although my Jesus clearly told me that
you’re not!
Your Jesus said
Chris was married, not that he was married to June. Or did you hear
that specifically? I think you added that after the fact. And
why do you keep saying “My Jesus” if not to infer that
we're worshiping some other Jesus? Isn't that factious and divisive
and heretical? You caution others to be especially careful, but you
speak too quickly that others are worshiping false idols of their own creation.
Since you
don’t know if or when she’s saved, you should be especially
careful. My Jesus said that somebody who humbles themselves as a
little child, will be the greatest in His kingdom, and whoever
receives such a little one (somebody who’s humbled themselves),
receives Him. If you are a stumbling block to that person, it would
be better for you if a millstone would have been hung around your
neck. So if this wife of yours has not come to Christ, you were to
stay with her unless she wanted a divorce (which she clearly didn’t).
Which she
clearly DID and I have testified to such. And multiple times has
demanded a divorce. That she is double-minded, dragging her feet and
is milking this for maximum damage does not make it not so.
And if she became
a Christian, so much the less you should not have left her. And you
better watch out that none of this is a stumbling block to her, if
she’s a baby-Christian. On this note, God is infuriated with you
for taking the liberty to pretend to be Jesus. You cast “that
Jezebel” (which is what you have called June in your video),
into the abyss. Do you not know that Jesus holds the keys to the
abyss, not you Chris? You hold the excuse that its not you but Him
who lives within you. He tells me that you have spat upon His Holy
Name with that statement, because He has never transgressed the Law
of His Father, and by doing the things you do in His Name, you have
called His wrath upon yourself. This, you have done in pride. You
have granted yourself permission in His Name, to get onto His
judgment seat, and cast people into the abyss. You, on His seat?!
That’s the same prideful sin that satan committed (Is.
14:12-24). Chris, you shall be known by your fruits (Matt. 7:16), for
the children act as their father (John 8:41-45). I beg you to repent
of what you have done. The prayers of those interceding for you will
not forever withhold God’s righteous fury.
That's not
factually correct at all and you need to repent for this accusation.
He never pretended to be Jesus and he did NOT cast JUNE to the abyss.
He cast the spirit of false religion to the abyss. And that is
entirely biblical. If you are hearing a voice tell you that
Jesus is grieved because Chris cast a PERSON to the abyss, despite
the clear and unmistakable wording on the video that he was casting a
spirit of false religion to the abyss – then you are NOT hearing
God. You are wrong, sister. You have cursed him by your
own words saying that he did something he didn't do. And if you
cannot see that you misunderstood and misquoted him, then you are
under a delusion and not seeing straight at all. I can attest
to the times that Chris and I have prayed for June and that there is
NO malice in his heart toward her. He has tried and tried with her
– far longer than most would have – you have no idea of the
history in that relationship. But there is NOTHING in him that did
what you accuse him of.
Guys, in regard to
this spiritual marriages which are supposed to symbolize Christ
putting away the old bride for the new&ldots; I’m speechless. I
refuse to go into a debate about whether or not Israel has been
replaced with the church, and whether the church has become part of
(engrafted into) Israel. Too much Jewish culture, and symbology is
involved to fully grasp this. Further, the stance a believer take on
this, should not influence their love and devotion to God, unless
they worship the theology and not God, in which case I question their
salvation. Therefore I refuse to argue this point.
Great. That's
why I don't talk about it much either and I wouldn't be talking about
it NOW or bringing it up AT ALL if not for all the people twisting it
and making up lies about what I believe or have said. I don't
want to argue with you either, but I'm absolutely convinced that the
marriage contract to natural Israel was voided by the death of
Jesus. Yet they have a place of honor and will be grafted back
in. Is THIS enough reason to divide the body?
But this I say,
that if your ‘spiritual marriages’ should symbolize Christ
putting away a bride and taking a new one, I question why He made
both of you, Doug and Chris, do this. In the time of Hosea,
apparently only one prophet was enough to get His message across
sufficiently. That was also the case with Ezekiel digging through the
wall (Ez. 8), and lying on his side (Ez. 4), as with numerous other
prophets too.
There are lots
of examples throughout the Word of multiple “prophets”
being on the scene at the same time. In fact, the Word is clear that
the LEAST among us that has the Holy Spirit is greater than John the
Baptist – the greatest of the prophets! Your argument is
void. God can speak through multiple people and use their lives as
object lessons and often does and has. How much more so in this generation?
Doug, if what
Clare said, that your ‘spiritual bride’ is currently
married to another man, that does not resemble the spotless virgin
bride of Christ at all!
Everything that
Clare has said is suspect and is twisted in one way or another toward
her own self-serving ends. The fact is that the “spotless
virgin bride of Christ” is at this moment anything BUT.
She is in contract to the world and trapped by all kinds of ties that
should never have been. I do not have any “Spiritual
Bride” as Clare is accusing me of. She is tangling and
twisting – as you have seen her do yourself.
Chris...
My Jesus has stuck
with His Bride, even when she went astray, just as Paul told the
Corinthians to do with their unbelieving spouses. My Jesus also said
that divorce from His Bride is not something that He or His Father
would ever consider (Matt. 19:4-9). When my Jesus saw that His Bride
would not be able to meet His standard of purity and holiness, He
went as far as to lay down His very life for Her. Yes, He does
reprimand her when she goes astray, but He doesn’t take another,
and another, and another, and another! My Jesus is faithful.
That is NOT
what Matthew 19 says at all. That is about US, not about Him. You
stretch too far. The reality is that Israel committed adultery MANY,
MANY times and MANY, MANY times the Lord voided His contract, put her
away, punished her – and them brought her back in His time even
though He was right to put her away (as Hosea). Yet not THAT
generation did He take back. There will be those that
were a part of the Bride, that heard His voice, that felt the Holy
Spirit – and that turned away and will be pruned off and cast
into the fire. There WILL be and you know it. You can
talk about the big BRIDE and say that He never gives up on HER –
but there are individuals who were also part of the Bride at some
point, turned away and that will surely perish. He gave His
life for her (and you and me), but we CAN choose to go our own way
and He may just let us. Faithful doesn't mean He clubs us and drags
us by the hair to the altar. You know darn well that Israel is called
an adulterous, idolatrous “whore” many, many times in the
Word – and that THAT is justification for divorce.
FOTM, there is a
big problem with the central-cup-dogma that you guys adhere to. I
find no fault with the model, although Clare, you were so right when
you said our Jesus’ Name is Holy, as He is. He’s not stuff.
Bread is
“stuff”. Wine is “stuff”. Water is
“stuff”. Yet Jesus described Himself as all kinds of things
that seem sort of mundane and commonplace and humble. I have
received Clare's concerns previously about this and have endeavored
to be more clear and not call it “blue stuff”. That is
simply a semantic argument – fine tuning. And as you say, you
find no fault in the model – yet you are about to find fault
with the model.
The problem with
the central-dogma, is that its just that. Everything revolves around
your cup – its central. Its what keeps you close to, and hearing
God. Its what you give to others. Its what’s attacked by the
enemy. Its how you get the enemy away. It explains marriages. It is
found in just about every teaching. But it is not Jesus. The blue in
the cup, is not my Jesus, it’s the Holy Spirit. We’re to be
clothed with Jesus (Gal.3:27; Col. 3:10; Eph. 4:24), filled with the
Spirit (Eph. 5:18).
Now, the Cup
Model is simply the way the Lord gave me to explain and illustrate
the Christian walk to anyone – regardless of knowledge or church
background. In order to break through all the denominational
barriers, there needed to be a new language created that would
simplify and explain what we should be doing. You may feel that
it is over-emphasized, but then again you may be under the influence
of the hate and lies being spread by the spirits involved here –
and, honestly, you don't understand how often it is really used in day-to-day
practice. And it doesn't look like you have just asked the Lord if
He gave it to me and wants me to use it. If you don't want to
use it, that's fine. It's what He gave ME. It's part of MY testimony.
And, as you said, there is NOTHING fundamentally unBiblical about it.
You are arguing
semantics about the Biblical difference between the Holy Spirit and
Jesus. The Word is clear that JESUS is the Living Water that we
are to drink. The Word is clear that we are dead and it is Christ IN
us that lives. (Rom 8-10). This is a linguistic argument and it
could go either way. I'm open to changing the cup model to say
“Holy Spirit” on the cup instead of “Jesus” - but
then people will not see that they need JESUS to sanctify and cleanse
and fight their battles. It says that HE is our defender and that
JESUS stands at the door of our hearts and knocks to come in. There
are too many “spirals” - too many visual or parable
examples for you to take such a hard stand on this one thing. I
believe that it could go either way as far as what is printed on the
cup model and I believe either could be justified scripturally.
Everything we
believe in should be centered around Jesus, not ourselves (our cup).
Its all about Him, not us. If I get smashed, if my cup perishes, if I
loose all, even my salvation, but my Jesus gets the glory – He
is worthy. I will stand up for Him and protect His honor, not my own
or anybody else’s cup. When we relate everything to our cups and
not to Him, we take away from His glory - how dare we? Its deceitful
to say that its about the Jesus (like he’s an object?) in our
cups. It’s not. He’s bigger than I am. Whatever of His
Spirit that’s in me, gets the glory by how I live, not by me
explaining and understanding everything in terms of the fraction of
the Holy Spirit in me, because that starts to sound like its all
about me.
OK, now that's
mostly just hyperbole. I have ALWAYS made it clear that there
is NO good thing in me, that it's ALL about Jesus (although now you
want me to take him OFF the cup model card) and that people MUST see
HIM manifesting through our lives. In fact, I have seen MASSIVE
amounts of good fruit from people seeing the cup model and
understanding the simplicity of our walk with Christ (Get full and
stay full). We have seen MANY people healed and delivered and I
get emails almost DAILY from people getting free by simply seeing
that they WEREN'T full and need to be. You KNOW there is
nothing wrong with telling people they need to “be being
filled” with the Holy Spirit. Of course, that is the right thing
to teach. We preach salvation, but there is no way to walk in
holiness and be a disciple if we don't show them the need for and how
to STAY full all the time! There is a danger here that it
becomes mechanical or sterile or impersonal, but I'm trusting that
JESUS HIMSELF will move on them when their cup is full and make it
VERY clear how much they need HIM, not a model. And He has
faithfully done that over and over. I have countless
testimonies of radically transformed lives because of this. FAR
more fruit than those who are detractors of it are showing at the moment.
Doug, you have
recently posted another youtube video that explains more of the red
dragon. Dear Doug, there’s a huge problem with this. You are
putting God in a box if you declare everybody that’s off the
narrow path, to have a red dragon. I don’t care if they’re
Christian or not, my God can chastise people however He chooses to.
If you limit Him by thinking He only uses red dragons, Doug, He’s
much more creative than that, and I so hope that this thing I’m
seeing on you guys are not an example of it.
The Bible
declares that everyone that is not on the Narrow Path is
AUTOMATICALLY on the Broad Way. That is not putting God in a
box. Freda, you are too quick to judge. I know you. I prayed
with you. I had communion with you – and this tone is not
you. If you are not seeing straight, if you are misquoting
people, if you are believing lies and hearing voices that don't
agree, are you sure you're not under the influence of something?
I never once said that He ONLY uses red dragons, but He DOES use
them – and you know it. And ANYONE that is on the Broad
Way is automatically vulnerable. How much the Lord afflicts
them, how blind they are, what He uses to get them back is up to Him.
Speaking about the
red dragon, there’s another problem I have. I know you try to
listen to God’s Word, but even when you’ve discerned the
spirits, it doesn’t mean that you’ve correctly discerned
them, and I think what you heard about red dragons, is an example of
it. They do exist, I agree, I’ve seen them. And I see them in
the physical as you know, so they’re very real to me. Anyway,
getting back to the problem&ldots; When somebody goes off the narrow
path, the Word of my God says we should reprove them, and try to lead
them back to God. Yes, God can make people supernaturally blind to
the truth, and He does, like He did when Micaiah out right warned the
king of what God was going to do, even about the delusion that God
was sending, and it was as if the king didn’t even hear him.
However, if we give this person over to the delusion, we don’t
have the love of Christ in us, because He died for us despite the
curse of our sins, just in case we would repent and be saved
(that’s what He longs for). Big difference between, not
exploiting this spirit and trying to get the person reconciled with
God, and between loving brethren enough that you’re willing to
die so that they may be saved – be like my Jesus. I have
followed after believers with this spirit, and I have fiercely prayed
for them (for prayer is the 7th spiritual weapon according to Eph.
6:18), and God in His grace have delivered and turned back some of
those people.
Dear Sister, do
you hear yourself? How can WE give this person over to a delusion
sent by GOD? How can WE stop it? Do you have ANY idea how
much time I have spent weeping and praying for those of my brethren
that I have seen afflicted and blinded? For Mike Bickle or
others? How much we have mourned for Clare? Do you have any
idea how many times I have laid everything down, offered everything
up, even prayed the prayer of Exodus 32:32 to see them get free?
What has led you to believe that I am cavalier or careless or
uncaring about this? But I know that I am not bigger than God
and I know that WE cannot give them over – nor can we get them
out from under it until it's HIS time. Are you suggesting that
we can? Isn't your suggestion that we can over-rule God a
blasphemy that makes YOU bigger than HIM? When did I ever say
to give up or to not storm the throne for them? Is THIS
enough reason to divide the body?
On the topic of
demons: After lots of confusion, which lead me to lots of prayer, God
confirmed to me over and over again, that its not us who can do
anything to any demon. Again, too much emphasis have been placed upon
this doctrine, and too little upon my Jesus. We look up to Abba, for
everything, as we are entirely dependant upon Him. Yes, this is war,
but we’re not the war heroes, we need the Angel of the Lord to
encamp around us and to deliver us, or else we’re toast! (Psalm
34:7). This war that FOTM is raging, is wrong.
Are we in a
spiritual war or aren't we? Is our battle against power and
principalities or isn't it? This war is NOT wrong. You
may question the tactics or the style, but this is the right
war. Do you want to rephrase that? YES. We are entirely
dependent on JESUS. How many times have I said that? How many times I
have I made it clear in the videos and elsewhere that you CANNOT
rebuke anything in the Name of Freda. They MUST be abiding in Christ
– not just using His Name either – but staying IN the
Strong Tower. All I have ever done is point to Christ and the
absolute reliance that we MUST have on Him to direct all of our
paths, to shield us, to guard us, to teach our hands to war, to equip
us, to show us and on and on.
Doug, smearing the
blood of demons across your chest so they can know who they’re
dealing with, is having the wrong blood on the lintels of your heart,
for Jesus’ blood is the blood that saves us. Our war is not
against flesh and blood, but against spirits and principalities.
Didn't you just
say this was the wrong war? Freda, you know that it is not in OUR
power that we fight, that it is Christ in us. And if it is
Christ in me that fights, then is there any biblical example of Him
having His enemies blood on Him? Why? To scare them?
Maybe. It's a pretty scary sight. So the question is,
“Could I have heard Jesus tell me to smear the blood of my
enemies on my armor/garment?” Which is actually HIS
garment since it's HIM fighting through me. Is that
Biblical? You decide.
Isaiah 63:1-6
(KJV)1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments
from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the
greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to
save. 2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy
garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? 3 I have trodden
the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I
will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their
blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my
raiment. 4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the
year of my redeemed is come. 5 And I looked, and there was none
to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine
own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them
drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
Psalms 58:10
(KJV) 10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the
vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.
Rev 19:11-15
(KJV)11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and
he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in
righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 eyes were as a
flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name
written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed
with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of
God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon
white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out
of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the
nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth
the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Sister, that is
not Jesus' blood on Himself, that is the enemies blood as He tramples
out the winepress of the wrath of God. And I will attach a LONG
document of verses about using heads of the enemy to scare people,
blood and other gory stuff. YOUR Jesus is a lot more
bloodthirsty and vengeful then you may want to acknowledge.
(Long document HERE.)
We are flesh and
blood, so we cannot fight them. God is spirit, He fights them.
Great, then we
agree, it's blood on HIS armor/garments. Is THIS enough
reason to divide the body?
They are stronger
than us, but not than God. God is our deliverer (Ps. 50:15). The
Psalms says, we were created to praise God continually (Psalm 30:9
& 118:17). Ephesians says we are to live to God’s glory by
praising Him continually with thanksgiving (Eph. 5:19-20 also Ps.
50:23). To think of somebody, is to thank them, when you start
looking at the roots of words. So the Psalmist is right in Psalm 50
when he says we offer thanksgiving (which is praise – v14) to
God and we continually think of Him (v.21). Also, this bothers me,
because if we continually think of demons, then we’re not
thinking on God, and that takes away from our praise to Him.
Therefore spending our time imagining demons, is not spending time
thinking about God – it is wrong, He hates it! I have numerous
times before seen demons, and God favored me and answered my prayers
to save me out of their hands. But I have never been able to do
anything about them, other than pray, and its very effective.
DON’T overlook it! It is the 7th piece of the armor we should
put on (for in 7 is our armor complete). Eph. 6:18 “Praying
always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching
thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;”.
I'm sorry, what
is it you think that we're doing when we're dealing with demons? NOT
praying?! Of course, prayer is the thing! Your argument that if we
give demons any of our attention then we are short-changing God or
giving them glory somehow is flawed. NOBODY in the Pentagon
worries that by knowing where the enemy is and how to kill them that
they are accidentally worshiping them! Our Lord was VERY clear that
they are real and that we are to know how to handle them – and
that we ARE to GO and free people from them. If you want a 24/7
prayer room where you worship continually and that's what you're
called to do, then DO it. But don't tell some other part of the
Body, whose job it is to go and obey the Great Commission and free
people that they are not doing it right because it's not what YOU
like. The fact is that you came with stuff messing with you and
you left with LESS stuff messing with you and more empowered. And how
you are now, I don't know, but listening to these voices can't be
good. How did you so easily switch from knowing that Jesus was
grieved by what was going on in 615 to listening to those voices? How
did you forget that this is spiritual and ugly and dangerous?
My Jesus has made
me weep and fast for you guys, for a long time now. He told me to
read the book of Lamentations, because you started out sincere, but
have become a corpse, that has a form of Godliness, but you lack His
Spirit. You are having trouble hearing God, because there’s a
Spirit that’s misleading you and it sounds like it could be Him.
Do not reject the Rock upon which you were founded, for it is the
WORD made flesh. If you can’t tell the difference between my
Shepherd’s Voice and the voice that’s speaking to you,
verify it with the Word of my God, He will not condemn you for it.
Sister, this is
dangerous talk. I don't have any doubt that the Lord had you weep and
fast. What is happening here is grievous. Or that He had you
read Lamentations. But you need to be VERY careful. My
experience has always been that when the Lord gives someone a word,
it almost always applies to their own life FIRST – and needs to
be received and implemented before being used to rebuke others.
I am not having any trouble hearing God, and neither are the brethren
that are seeking Him only and not looking to Man.
Lord, I hate doing
this. Let me only speak what You have spoken to me. FOTM, my Lord
told me to read the book of Lamentations. 1:5’s sin is that you
have played with demons, therefore you’re given into their
hands. 1:8 and 9’s sin is that of fornication, because you
thought you’re doing my Lord a favor with your fornication. All
is not spirit, for we have not yet been transformed, as we will be
when my Jesus comes again, in the twinkling of an eye. Therefore,
1:10, worldliness has entered your congregation. Don’t call on
your doctrines which is contrary to Him, because if you call on them,
your lovers, they will witness against you, and deceive you. My Lord
has said in His anger, that He will become your enemy. He does to you
everything He promises in Lamentations. Read 1:12-22 to see that He
Himself will become YOUR enemy. He will be the Lion that destroys,
the Thief who breaks in and steals, (3:10-14 & 3:43-45 &4:16),
and you will cry out for deliverance, but your lovers are gone, and
the Deliverer says, “Vengeance is Mine”. He will be your
enemy (all of chapter 2, especially verse 6-9). This is sorrowful to
my Jesus, as you can see in 2:11, but that will not hold Him
back. Chris and Doug, stop saying that you’re doing
God’s Will and consult Him, doing a control check with His Word
when He speaks to you, for His opinion of you is “Thy prophets
have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not
discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen
for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.” (2:14).
Therefore He will slay you without pity, because you have provoked
His anger. FOTM, read 2:22 - by seeking after them, you have invited
the enemy, and He will give you over to them to destroy (4:12-13).
The Lord, He will be your enemy. Therefore, turn back from these
crooked ways and repent (3:40-42 & 5:21-22). I beg all of you,
FOTM, to repent of these doings of yours. It would be a very sad day
when God turns against you, but He has promised, and is not a man
that He can lie, that He will come against you if you continue in
this path.
Freda, when you
speak like that you put on the mantle of a prophet – and you
should ONLY EVER do that with much fear and trembling. I don't
have any doubt that that word applies to some of the folks here and
what they are doing. I'm absolutely convinced that the Lord has
you grieving for the Church of Liberty more than FOTM (which is
really just a website). And I'm just sure that Clare and Gary
and others are included in that word that you just gave. And
probably yourself for that matter. Words that you have spoken in vain
– or twisted up somehow or pointed at the wrong people –
will be judged by the Lord and you will have to answer for them.
Whether those words apply to me (or Chris), I guess we will have to
wait and see. As it has been so many times before when people have
come with wagging fingers, ultimately it comes down to this: You
build your altar and I'll build my altar and we'll see which catches
fire first. There seems to be no other solution. I await
His judgement. May the Lord have mercy on whom He will have mercy.
Doug, Clare said
in her email that “Doug admitted that he heard the Father and
the Son arguing one day” and again “He claimed one day
that Jesus told him to do something, and Doug decided to do it
HIS way. He did, and afterwards Jesus told him that after all,
Doug was right and He was wrong.” Doug, is that true? Did you
hear those things? If you were verifying and testing the spirits with
the Word of my God, you would have seen that those voices could not
have been God speaking! Again, I urge you to check what you hear,
with God’s Word, unless you believe that its fallible, and then,
dear Doug, I’ll sadly be obligated to renounce you as a brother
in Christ, because your god would not be my God. Is He?
No, that is NOT
true. It is a twisted, self-serving lie from the pit. I have
never had ANY point heard Jesus say that I was right and He was
wrong. Never.
I have been
blessed with the opportunity to watch Jesus intercede for me (or
someone else) before the throne of God. The Word is clear that He is
our advocate (1 John 2:1) and that He intercedes for us with the
Father. The Father is the Judge and Jesus is our Defense
Attorney. Clare was even there on one occasion when three of us
were praying about some witches astral projecting overhead. (If she
denies it, there will be even more blood on her head.) We heard
three different things to do. I heard the Father, one heard Jesus and
one heard the Holy Spirit. The Son interceded for them when the
Father wanted them severed completely. The decision was made by the
Father to show them mercy on behalf of the Son, unless they got
belligerent. Is that double-minded? Is that God arguing with
Himself? I was honored to see the reality of the Word of God that
says that Jesus makes intercession for us and to peek into the
courtroom as that happens. It was in NO INSTANCE
“arguing” or disagreeing in the way that Clare means
it. She is twisting it to infer that I think God is
schizophrenic or something and that's not it at all. It was
real and it was entirely Biblical. You can question whether I
really heard that (or hear God at all), but you CANNOT say that what
I THINK I heard was unBiblical. Can you even SEE the
spirit behind all these accusations and lies?
Is THIS enough
reason to divide the body?
FOTM, I’m
really saddened by the state that things are in. I have prayed for
you all hours of the day and night, I have fasted, I have wept, and I
have seen no improvement. Until God tells me to stop, I will not.
However, I can no longer be a part of this mess. The Church of God,
is the body of His set-apart children. I need to be set-apart from
doctrines that contradict my Father’s Word. I do not wish to
become defiled, and removed from my Jesus, what worth would my life
have then? Therefore, I herewith repent for not having said anything,
any earlier. I will no longer be involved with FOTM. I will keep
praying for FOTM and/ or individuals there, as my Lord leads.
This rebuke of
yours, full of cherry-picked scripture and gossip and twisted lies,
has gone out all over the world, been read on video and been further
twisted – as if it's all true. You have done a lot of
damage. If you have ANYTHING in this to repent for in the content or
tone of this letter, I pray that you would do it – and do it
widely. For the sake of the Bride. People are dying and this isn't
helping. You are point fingers in the wrong directions and some of
those who are totally consumed by unforgiveness and bitterness and
fear and anger are being given a pass – while they are being
devoured by the enemy and can't see it at all. And at least some of
that will be on your head, Freda.
Guys, I know
we’re all human and prone to err. I don’t hold that against
you. But please do not brush this warning off the cuff. I reckon you
will probably not reply to me, but behold yourselves as silent sheep
before the shearers, not opening your mouths.
I waited until
the Lord said it was time. I'm not brushing it off and I'm not
demeaning or dismissing you. You are a mighty child of God and I love you.
I only beg you to
always be on your guard and question everything. Abba will be pleased
if you even question His voice, to make sure that it’s Him and
no other.
I have always
and will always question EVERY voice that I hear – including
yours. I have tested it against the Word and in some places you
are found wanting. I have tested it with the Spirit of the Lord and
found the focus one-sided and wanting. You did not rebuke those who
hurt you when you were here – but you have rebuked those who
helped you when you were gone. You repented for not speaking
out against me when you were here – but not for others who you
KNEW were walking in sin. Instead you listen to those voices
now from a distance and rebuke me without seeking any clarification
first on the details. I will be responding to the full email
from Clare soon – but I'm answering yours first because you were
the ONLY one with the courage enough to address it to me instead of
to the whole world about me. I appreciate you being willing to face
me. I'm happy to clarify any other concerns you may have. I believe
that you will see from Clare's email that the enemy is at work very
deeply in these accusations. I pray for her sake and for the
Bride that the TRUTH will be shown – whatever the cost – so
that we can get on with all that the Lord wants done for His
Kingdom. I pray for restoration and unity and for wisdom to all involved.
He does not frown
on faithfulness. Jesus does not want to execute the curse on you that
He has told me to warn you off. But He loves His Father more than He
loves you, and He will obey His father. Please please please! While
it is still today, don’t harden your hearts, but repent!
I pray that ALL
involved will hear that warning. NO ONE is exempt from those curses
that were spoken, should they not walk in His ways.
I love you. At
anytime, I’m willing to talk to any of you. But I won’t
unite myself with your fellowship again unless you turn back to God.
Please heed these words.
In Jesus,
Freda
I love you,
too. Doug
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