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(email
responses to June below)
See also "Governments"
See also "Spiritual
Weapons in the Bible"
See also "Response
to Clare"
See also "Response
to Freda"
Public
response to "Spiritual Marriage" accusations
Positive
testimonies and emails from Barron, Patrick and many others.
FOTM
is NOT a cult! Gets a completely clean bill of health from a
"cult expert".
Response
to June
(If you want to
skip all the wind-up and jump to the meat of it, click
here.)
{NOTE
from Doug} On
June 21st,
I received the email below from June. This is the first contact that
I have had with her directly in probably close to a year (as I
recall). This was addressed to me directly, and was factually
inaccurate, so I responded. The exchange that ensued is below.
I will continue to add to this page as she continues to respond. What
has been hidden, needs to be heard. All kinds of people are
"picking teams" based on what they are hearing. Now, I want
to be clear that all I've ever said all along is "DON'T FOLLOW
ME! Listen to God and do whatever HE tells you."
So I have no
interest whatsoever in anybody joining "my team". But if
you're going to insist on picking a team, despite the clear
instruction of I Corin. 3, then you better at least have full
information about what you're getting into. Revealing
these things is only happening with much prayer and fasting and
seeking the Lord and only after months (or years in June's case) of
turning the other cheek. And the only reason to expose it now
is because of the harm that is being done to so many innocent babes
in the faith that are being swept up into this spirit. And it
IS a spirit. I don't blame June. We have prayed for her over and over
and continue to do so. But there is a spirit here and people need to
see that.
Not ONCE did
she deny any of thing that I said she had done - even to trying to
kill me and run me off the road with her SUV. This spirit of murder
and hate continues to drive so much of what is going on. I pray
that those held captive by it will see and wake up. And again, I'm
not the least bit mad, it's all part of the plan.
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FROM
JUNE TO DOUG
From: <jevans53@kc.rr.com>
Date: June 21,
2008 9:06:30 PM CDT
To: "'Chris
Evans'" <cevans@fellowshipofthemartyrs.com>
Subject:
exposing the lies-- we are watching
Here is a fun
tidbit for starters. To do this right, you have to have a copy of the
Revised Standard Version (RSV) of the New Testament. Dial up Doug on
his video called "Are you an UNBELIEVER - What does it
take?" Listen as he starts reading in Colossians Chapter 3 (He
starts reading at about the 2 minute mark of the video). He says he
is reading from the RSV because it happened to be handy. I believe
him. He starts reading and if you read along you will see that he
reads word for word all the way up to verse 5. He continues reading,
"Put to death therefore what is earthly in you.."
At this point it
is really interesting. Doug pauses noticeably. Then, instead of
reading the next word, which is "fornication," he replaces
it with the word "immorality" (without telling the
audience). Then he goes on and reads the rest of the verse word for
word (with one last apparent reflective pause). It's comical. While
it is true that some versions use the word immorality, he claimed to
be reading from the RSV and he changed only that one word because he
must not have wanted to say "fornication."
(All will know how
are you guys are doing this to deceive people)
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FROM
DOUG TO
JUNE
From: <doug@fellowshipofthemartyrs.com>
Date: Saturday,
June 21, 2008 10:40 PM
To: "Chris
Evans" <cevans@fellowshipofthemartyrs.com>; jevans53@kc.rr.com
Re: exposing
the lies-- we are watching June,
I expect that
being the godly, honest, upright woman that you claim to be, that you
will forward this email to everyone that you sent your accusation
to. Right?
Attached are scans
of the Bible from which I read on the video. You can clearly
see in the scan that the word "immorality" is in verse
5. Although there do seem to be some versions of the RSV that
might have "fornication," this one does not and I have no
other. I did not deceive or change anything. I read what was in
front of me as you can clearly see. Whether or not the RSV is the one
you would prefer, isn't the point of the video. It's more
understandable to the average YouTube person than the KJV.
(Nobody knows what "concupiscence" is.) This is an
old Bible that was given to me by the Chair of the Religion
department at William Jewell many years ago. If someone doubts
the validity of the scan or thinks that I have doctored it, then they
are welcome to come look at it in person.
I have no problem
with saying the word "fornication" - as if that is somehow
different than "immorality". The whole point of the
video is that LIARS have no place in heaven, nor those who are
factious, hateful, divisive, angry and prone to useless
quarrels. I regret that you continue to miss the entire point
of everything that is said and refuse to acknowledge that you are
doing ANYTHING wrong at all. You have spread a lie that is
demonstrably a lie - and if you claim to be a person of honor, I
expect you to clear it up. I think Jesus does, too.
I continue to be
available for anyone that will come in love and in the Spirit of
Christ to reason together and sit down with me and a Bible and show
me their real, valid and scriptural concerns.
Here's another
verse for you:
Prov 16:27-29
(KJV) - 27 An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is
as a burning fire. 28 A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer
separateth chief friends. 29 A violent man enticeth his neighbour,
and leadeth him into the way that is not good.
I'm glad to have
an opportunity to clear up this misunderstanding so that all can see.
Doug
PICTURES -
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FROM
JUNE TO DOUG (Well, sort of - it's
not really June.)
From: jevans53@kc.rr.com
To: 'Chris Evans'
Cc: 'Doug Perry'
Sent: Monday,
June 23, 2008 4:52 AM
Subject:
RESPONSE TO DOUG
Response to Doug:
WHAT DOES
COLOSSIANS CHAPTER 3 HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT IT TAKES TO BE AN UNBELIEVER?
OK, Doug. You say
the point of the video was missed. Perhaps the title confused some
folks. It looks like a video intended to give your view to people
about what it takes to be an unbeliever. The only Scripture I heard
mentioned by you in the video is chapter 3 of the epistle to the Colossians.
Let’s recap
the intro to the video.
You open the video
with a brief discussion of peoples’ mindsets about their own
salvation. I won’t quibble in this message (though I do disagree
with at least one statement you made in the opening sequence), but I
think I understand and even agree with what you meant in the first
two minutes of the video. I think you were making a point that people
shouldn’t judge their own sins against the sins of others and
try to use it to determine whether or not they themselves are OK, or
even saved.
Is that basically correct?
You made some very
good points about sin and you rightly caution us against thinking our
sins are somehow not as bad as the sins of the next guy.
Then you made yet
another excellent point:
You said:
“What matters
is whether God says you’re saved or not.”
Amen. I perceive
this to be an excellent starting block for this discussion. It is GOD
that SAVES, and when He does, we become HIS FOREVER.
How can we know
this is true?
Jesus said:
ALL that the
FATHER GIVES me WILL COME to me; and him who comes to me I WILL NOT
CAST OUT. [John 6:37]
...Jesus also said:
NO MAN CAN COME TO
ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER which hath sent me DRAW HIM: and I WILL RAISE
HIM UP on the last day. [John 6:44]
These two verses,
as well as many others on the topic, are incontrovertible. I
don’t believe one can pull up a verse that reverses these facts
about God’s plan for salvation. Do you?
Paul correctly
affirmed these teachings of Jesus when he wrote to the saints and
faithful brethren at Colossae.
Let’s recap
some of Colossians chapter 2 before we look at chapter 3.
The apostle says
in Colossians 2:13, “And YOU, WHO WERE DEAD in trespasses and
the uncircumcision of your flesh, GOD MADE ALIVE together WITH HIM,
having FORGIVEN US all our trespasses, HAVING CANCELLED THE BOND
WHICH STOOD AGAINST US WITH ITS LEGAL DEMANDS; this HE SET ASIDE,
having nailed it to the cross.”
Doug, I’m
sure you’ve heard it before: Colossians 2:13 and the verses of
John make clear that the debt is paid, but ONLY for those that the
Father has GIVEN to Jesus; ONLY for those that the Father has DRAWN
to Jesus; ONLY for those God has MADE ALIVE; ONLY for those He has
FORGIVEN and cancelled the debt.
I don’t know
how God chooses us, but I do know that Scriptures teach that He
chooses us for His purpose and pleasure. I also know that I am warned
NOT to judge any man, but I should rather judge that no man put a
stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. [Romans 14:13]
And I also know
that at the same time, he that is spiritual is called to judge all
things, yet be judged of no man. [1 Corin 2:15]
OK. The apostle
continues in Colossians 2:18 & 19, saying, “Let NO ONE
disqualify you, INSISTING ON SELF-ABASEMENT and worship of angels,
TAKING HIS STAND ON VISIONS, puffed up without reason by his sensuous
mind, AND NOT HOLDING FAST TO THE HEAD, from whom the whole body,
nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows
with a growth that is from God.”
The apostle
concludes chapter 2 insisting that the regulations of the world are
of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh.
Don’t you
agree that Scripture is clear? No one can disqualify those that the
Father has drawn to Jesus for salvation.
Salvation is
indeed the work of God. When we were yet DEAD in our sins, God
quickened us together with Christ. By grace we are saved through
faith, and it is not our own doing. It is the gift of God, not
because of works. Surely, you must agree about this, right?
BACK TO THE VIDEO
AND COLOSSIANS 3:
In the video, you
read through Colossians 3, verse 11, saying “Here there cannot
be Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian,
slave, free man, but Christ is all in all.”
After reading
Colossians 3:11, you added some words as sort of a commentary I
guess. (unless those words are in your version of the RSV), I am not
accusing you of pretending to read these words from the book, but you
did tack them on there, eh? The words you said are “IF YOU PUT
ON THE NEW MAN.”
Wait a minute!
The apostle had
just finished emphasizing in chapter 2 what God did for us and to not
let anyone disqualify us. So where does this IF come from? In chapter
3, verse 12, the apostle tells us what to put on AS GOD’S CHOSEN
ONES that THE LORD HAS (past tense) FORGIVEN. The apostle is not
telling the Colossians that IF they put on the new man, THEN God will
choose and forgive them. He is clearly telling the brethren to do
these things BECAUSE they have been chosen and forgiven.
You continue in
the video with the point that if you still have “anger, wrath
malice, slander, foul talk, if you lie to one another then YOU HAVE
NOT PUT ON THE NEW MAN, YOU ARE NOT A NEW CREATION, and you are not
OK.” You did not get those thoughts from the text you were
reading. You may believe with all your heart that what you are saying
is nevertheless true, but I cannot agree that the apostle was saying
the same thing in Colossians 3. The apostle teaches that being made a
new creation precedes putting on the new man (Col 2:6, as you
therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him)
Look! You admitted
it yourself when you read the very next verse (verse 12). You read
that the apostle told the Colossians to “put on then, AS
GOD’S CHOSEN ONES&ldots;kindness, lowliness, meekness, and
patience.” You did not report that the apostle said “put on
then, TO BECOME GOD’S CHOSEN ONES&ldots;” You did not read
“put on then, TO MAKE YOURSELF A NEW CREATION&ldots;”
You read the
apostle telling the brethren to put on the new self BECAUSE they were
God’s chosen ones, not to BECOME God’s chosen ones.
As we ponder what
you said on that video, let us also check on some attributes of God
that Scripture teaches are essential to salvation and repentance. It
is God that saves us, by your words I think we agree.
It is also God
that indwells us with the Holy Spirit. Let us reason together about
this important phenomenon. Christians that sin will inevitably
repent, if they are indeed believers because the Holy Spirit within
them will lead them to the repentance that God both requires and
provides. Don’t take my word for it. Read the verses. [Acts
5:31, Acts 11:18, Rom 2:4, 2 Tim 2:24-26]
Now, since you
gave a teaching in your video about putting on the NEW MAN, let’s
digress to Ephesians. I imagine you know that from a biblical
perspective, the concept of the NEW MAN arises from the fulfillment
of the law by Jesus and the extension of salvation to the Gentiles.
We read in Ephesians 2:11-18 that Jesus is our peace that broke down
the dividing wall of hostility between Jew and Gentile by abolishing
in His flesh the enmity that is the law of commandments to create ONE
NEW MAN in place of the two, so making peace toward reconciling us
BOTH IN ONE BODY through the cross.
There are more
reasons to compare Colossians with Ephesians. In Ephesians 4, the
apostle exhorts, even seems to BEGS believers to lead a life worthy
of THE CALLING to which we’ve BEEN CALLED.
Why does the
apostle do this? Is it because he is foisting the duty on the
Ephesians to create this NEW MAN by their own actions of obedience?
No.
The apostle just
told the Ephesians that Jesus created the NEW MAN by abolishing in
His flesh the enmity that is the law of commandments.
Likewise, Paul is
not foisting the duty of Christ being “all in all” onto the
Colossians. As in Ephesians, Paul is saying quite the opposite. Paul
tells the brethren in Colossae to take off the bad and put on the
good because they are chosen, because they have been called.
Doug, please
compare Ephesians 4:1-7 with Colossians 3:12-16 and see if you get
what I mean.
We see the apostle
calling for lowliness, meekness, patience, love, eagerness to
maintain the UNITY OF THE SPIRIT IN THE BOND OF PEACE. In the one
body (which is a NEW MAN uniting Jews and Gentiles), grace has been
given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. These gifts
were that some would be apostles, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers.
Why an assortment
of gifts though? Why doesn’t God just speak to each of us
individually and guide our every move? Why doesn’t God skip
making us study the Word and exercise all these gifts?
This is the best
part of this story to me. I especially love these verses coming up
because they answer a critical question that I watched you ponder
aloud in one of your other videos. (I think the pain of it almost
brought you to tears)
Here it is:
Ephesians 4:12 -16. The apostle says these gifts are to equip the
saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
UNTIL WE ALL ATTAIN TO THE UNITY OF FAITH AND OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE
SON OF GOD, TO MATURE MANHOOD, TO THE MEASURE OF THE STATURE OF THE
FULNESS OF CHRIST, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to
and fro, and carried about WITH EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE, by the
CUNNING OF MEN, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles. Rather,
speaking THE TRUTH IN LOVE, WE ARE TO GROW UP IN EVERY WAY INTO HIM
WHO IS THE HEAD, INTO CHRIST, from whom the whole body joined and
knit together BY EVERY JOINT WITH WHICH IT IS SUPPLIED, WHEN EACH
PART IS WORKING PROPERLY, MAKES BODILY GROWTH AND UPBUILDS ITSELF IN LOVE.
Please read these
verses again. The apostle is talking about the body of Christ. He is
saying the gifts are for building the body UNTIL we ALL attain to the
UNITY of faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God; UNTIL we ALL
attain to MATURE MANHOOD; UNTIL we ALL attain to the MEASURE OF THE
STATURE OF THE FULNESS OF CHRIST.
Remember what
Jesus said in His prayer in John 17:20-27?
Ephesians 4:12-16
tells us how we as believers are to fit together to attain the unity
that Jesus prayed about. We need to be sure as believers that we all
honestly seek to understand what gifts have been given to us so that
we are not hindering the body in attaining the unity we are called
to. Do you have faith about your role in supporting growth of the
body that will bring the unity of the truth? Do you agree that this
is what God calls us to for fulfillment of John 17:20-27?
Near the end of
the video, you emphatically state, “NO LIAR HAS A PLACE IN
HEAVEN. ALL LIARS GO TO HELL. That’s what IT says.” Well,
IT that you refer to couldn’t be Colossians chapter 3. Perhaps
you were silently referring to Revelation 21:7 when you said these
words. Which liars were you talking about when you said all liars go
to hell? Were you talking about Peter? He hit a triple in denying the
Lord, didn’t he? Will Jesus cast Peter out? If these words of
yours are accurate and complete, then how can anyone make it to
heaven? Do you consider this point you asserted so broadly and
emphatically to be a trustworthy general saying?
I think you know
the Bible teaches that every man is a liar. [Psalm 116:11, Rom 3:4]
The Bible does not give a standard formula for how and when each
believer will repent of lying. It does not say the believer loses his
salvation by telling a lie after being saved (Think Peter)
It is true that
Revelation 21:7 does say that ALL LIARS will take their place in the
lake of fire. Let’s not confuse this verse as saying it applies
to everyone who ever told a lie. Scripture doesn’t allow for
such nonsense. We know Revelation 21:7 is not referring to the saved,
because two chapters earlier we are told “the bride has made
herself ready.” [Rev 19:7] Those who are saved cannot be liars
any more, or else the bride would not be ready.
Every saved
Christian will repent of their lies. You will do well to believe and
preach that if you preach anything anymore. Our God is a sovereign God.
Here is what I
believe to be a more trustworthy emphatic point for all believers:
We love because HE
FIRST LOVED US. If someone SAYS HE LOVES GOD AND HATES HIS BROTHER,
HE IS A LIAR; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has
seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. [1 John 4:19-20]
So&ldots;
IF you find
yourself telling a professing Christian you claim has lied that they
are going to hell&ldots;IF you find yourself directing condemnation
at someone that said something you don’t like&ldots; IF you find
yourself calling someone an unbeliever because you think they
lied&ldots;THEN you should probably be in fear of twisting God’s Word.
It’s simply
not for me to judge the heart of another person or worse yet, predict
their ultimate fate. It’s simply not for me to grab verses from
the Bible and apply them out of context or guess what they mean based
on a voice. It’s simply not for me to evaluate the walk of
another believer based on my view of the depth or shallowness of my
own walk. Heck, without the Word of God as a lamp unto my feet, I
know my heart is desperately wicked. Amen?
If you think you
know how to judge the efficacy of another’s walk in Christ and
decipher when and how God strips believers of their salvation, please
enlighten us. If you cannot, please be careful about who you have in
mind when you preach your brand of condemnation. For there is no
condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
In your recent
email, you reiterate your main point:
“The whole
point of the video is that LIARS have no place in heaven, nor those
who are factious, hateful, divisive, angry and prone to useless quarrels.”
Let’s touch
very briefly on these remarks of yours. If you intend to make a point
about the fate of those who are factious, hateful and divisive, you
had better explain what constitutes these things so that your
teachings are perfectly clear. You see, Jesus Himself said He would
divide us into sheep and goats, amen? If we want to understand what
is divisive to the body, we need to rightly divide the Word of God,
don’t we?
Jesus said “I
did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” [Matt 10:34b] Yet, in
Matt 26:52, Jesus says “all they that take the sword shall
perish with the sword.”
What kind of sword
did Jesus come to bring? It is no coincidence that in Ephesians 6:17
we are told to “take the sword of the Spirit, WHICH IS THE WORD
OF GOD.” And again, at Hebrews 4:12, “For the WORD OF GOD
is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged SWORD,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the
joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents
of the heart.”
The sword Jesus
came to bring is the same sword that is the sword of the Spirit –
the WORD OF GOD. Without proper understanding of the Word of God,
how can one expect to discern any of the thoughts and intents of anyone?
Some division is
actually necessary and the proper measure for dividing is the Word of God.
How are you going
to be like Christ if he is the Head and believers are the body? How
are you going to be like Christ if he is the bridegroom and believers
are the bride? How are you going to be like Christ if He saves and
you need saving? How are you going to be like Christ if he is the
potter and you are the clay?
Instead of
thinking you need to be like the head, find the place where you fit
into the body. Instead of trying to carry His cross, carry YOUR own cross.
Peace.
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FROM DOUG
TO JUNE
(and
the anonymous writer)
From: Doug Perry
Date: Monday,
June 23, 2008 2:15pm
To: jevans53@kc.rr.com
CC: Chris Evans
Subject: Re:
RESPONSE TO DOUG
June,
This is twice now
(including other times I've seen you do it) when you seem to try to
pass off something that someone ELSE has written as your own. I
would urge the writer of this response to communicate with me
directly. And I would urge you to stop trying to have other
people make the case for you. And I would urge you to
understand that just because someone disagrees with Doug, doesn't
mean they are RIGHT. And I continue to wait for an apology from
the original person accusing me of lying about the RSV - and from YOU
for spreading the false accusation.
My response to
this email, however, you're welcome to forward on to the original writer.
It is clear to me
that this theological response is based on a "once-saved,
always-saved" theology that has Calvinist roots in its absolute
assurance that IF a person is truly saved then they WILL repent at
some point and get right. I am convinced that Biblically, this
is an error and therefore the premise of pretty much all that your
email is based on. I do believe that Colossians 3 has much to
say about how to STAY in the faith and what it looks like if you
don't. And I continue to believe that the point of the video was
entirely missed by June (and perhaps others) if there is no
repentance at all for acts that the Bible clearly condemns.
To summarize what
I believe I heard you say (or infer):
* If a person is
truly "saved" - which we agree is a work of Grace, not
mental assent - then they WILL repent at some point and be saved.
* That once saved,
should they do anything wrong, we should simply overlook it, knowing
that they will be saved in the end.
* That liars DO
have their place in Hell, but since we are "saved" that
cannot apply to us, even if we lie and are unrepentant about it.
Of course, there
is lots of other stuff in there as well, but those seem to be the
points that stand out to me.
So let me ask you
some questions.
1) Did Ananias and
Saphira go to heaven? Were they previously "saved" or
not? Or is the lying, selfishness and unrepentance evidence
that they were never truly "saved"?
2) If a person
TELLS me they are "saved" but their life is full of lying,
stealing, gossip, anger, bitterness - should I believe them to be
truly "saved" - or should I exhort them to repent and cease
from their worldy ways? Are they in danger or not? How do
we tell the unbelievers from the believers if the believers do all
the things of the world - but we just count on that they will be
drawn to repentance at some point?!
3) Why do we have
examples of the possibility and warnings that one might have
"swerved from the faith" or failed to "run the
race" or "get entangled again with the yoke of bondage"
(Gal.5:1)? It must be possible that once free from bondage,
you would get back under it! Else why the warnings?
4) The people that
Paul turned over to satan to teach them not to blaspheme - were they
previously "saved" or not? Were they eventually
redeemed or not?
5) Are we to take
a person's WORD that they are "saved" based on what THEY
think that means? Or do we look to their life for the EVIDENCE
of having been "saved"? And what is that evidence if not a
freedom from the bondage of sin? And if we don't see that freedom
from sin, despite that they SAY they are saved, why should we believe them?
I don't believe
that satan can snatch you out of God's hand - but you can JUMP out on
your own! You can be lured out and follow the siren song of
anger and bitterness and gossip and lust and money. Whether or
not a person who is "saved" might at the very moment of
impact with a cement mixer repent for all their sins, DOES NOT
justify and excuse away all the sins they commit unrepentantly up to
that point. Now, it may result in forgiveness from God - but that is
CERTAINLY not someone that we should be following and listening to
(until they are repentant)!
Dear debate
partner, you are being used as a foil on behalf of some people that
are living unrepentant lives of gossip, anger, bitterness, theft,
rebellion against God and even murder. Are they
"saved"? Will they die in their sins? Can you
Biblically live like an unbeliever in full confidence that you're OK
because at some point before judgement you'll get a chance to make it
right? That CANNOT BE!
Surely Romans 6
and others make it clear that if you go on sinning unrepentantly that
you are NOT dead to sin - and should question the reality of your
"saved" status! Should we go on sinning and because
we are no longer under Law, but Grace? God forbid!
Here's the short
of it from my perspective and I believe this is supported Biblically.
OBEDIENCE is better than sacrifice, and a contrite heart He will not
despise. A proud lying tongue, haughty eyes, those who sow
division amongst brethren, who make wicked plans - these are an
ABOMINATION and He will NOT let them in unless and until they repent.
(Prov. 6:16-19) The Ezekiel 9 remnant that are repentant are
safe - everybody else is a dead body in a defiled temple (starting
with the "Elders").
And they may not
ever repent - unless He pours it out on them. There IS a place where
you have gone too far and He will let you keep going. I don't
know where that line is for each person, but we should ALL work out
our salvation with fear and trembling, lest we find ourselves in
satan's snare - and no one to gently correct us and free us because
they all believe in "once-saved, always-saved" and assure
us of our salvation despite the darkness of our heart. I'm not
feeling how your theology really encourages anyone to FEAR and
tremble - or even to stop sinning. And since it is being used
as a crutch for people who ARE actively sinning and fully unrepentant
about it, I would think you should carefully consider to whom you are
being yoked.
Now, it's possible
that I'm an unregenerate heathen that was never "saved". Do
you believe that to be the case? Evidently June and others do,
else they would follow your advice and treat me as a brother who was
going to repent at some point and am safe. If I'm
"saved" by grace, but wrong on some technical point, is it
then OK to call me an antichrist? Or THE antichrist? (As I have
been called. Actually one pastor said the Lord had revealed to him
that I personally was Satan! Cool, eh?) If we're not to
judge the state of another person's heart, then why are so many
judging the state of my heart?! Have you sought to correct them
as forcefully?
Or it could be
possible that I'm "saved", that I'm one of His, and that
someone just agrees with me on some point - or maybe even thinks I'm
in sin. The problem is, that if they come to me acting like
unbelievers (pointing finger, malicious talk, gossip, spirit of
murder, haughty eyes, lying lips) - well, then it's going to be
REALLY hard for me to receive it as a a rebuke and correction from
the Holy Spirit, you know? If the people saying that I'm wrong
and that I'm not hearing God were actually ACTING like Jesus, it
would sure be a lot more convincing.
Maybe you won't
see my point. Maybe you'll insist that the Bible says that once you
are "saved" then you can do whatever you want without
consequences or risk of hell. I don't believe that at all. Nor
do I think the parables of Jesus can justify your case. If you don't
bear good fruit, you will be pruned and cast into the fire (and you
WERE on the vine!).
Respectfully, if
you were the person to make the argument about me intentionally
altering the RSV, I'd like you to apologize to me, having shown that
I didn't, and I'd like you to contact whoever that was spread to and
acknowledge that we've cleared it up and that you were wrong. I
continue to wait for the people that have demonstrably and undeniably
lied about me (or Chris) to make some kind of effort at being like
Jesus and say they're sorry. Should you be an altogether different
person, simply hidden by June for whatever her reasons are, then
never mind. Your email is thoughtful, coherent and well-constructed.
I appreciate the dialogue, but I believe you are demonstrably wrong.
I continue to
pray, as I have for years, that the Lord God Almighty would kill me
before letting me do harm to the Bride. That doesn't mean avoiding
saying hard things that the Bride needs to hear, even though it will
require some pain to get things set right again - but I pray
constantly that the Lord would have me speak His TRUTH and nothing
but. I pray that the Lord would resolve all of this, lift whatever
skirts need lifting and show it all for what it is - in the Light of
His Glory and Grace.
May the Lord Jesus
Christ richly bless you in whatever way He thinks best.
Doug Perry
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
FROM JUNE
TO DOUG
(OK,
now THIS is June)
From: jevans53@kc.rr.com
To: 'Doug Perry'
Cc: 'Chris Evans'
Sent: Monday,
June 23, 2008 3:16 PM
Subject: RE:
RESPONSE TO DOUG From JUNE
First of Doug, I
did not spread false accusation, I took what someone said and sent it
on to you for your response. So did not spread anything that
was from one person to you. And For your comment of including other
times prove that. This is the only time I have done a copy of someone
email to send on to you and Chris for a response. And I know you and
Chris have lied and continue to lie. Are you still having people suck
from you? Chris and Doug, Do you want the people that you have taught
this to come out on Youtube and explain this to the public and I can
go on, with your twisting of demons of doctrine. We all know very
well about Suzie your spiritual wife and all of Chris’s,
wives and lies. So why don’t you go public and tell everyone how
you robbed venders and customers you don’t pay child support
because the voice in your head said not to. Not even making an effort
to pay any one back from what you did to them. Brining hardship on
venders and there family, customers, and your own wife and children.
IRS problems. All through the bible it talks about being a good
steward with what God gives us. Why don’t you stop running from
your responsibility both you and Chris?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
FROM
DOUG TO JUNE
From: Doug Perry
Date: Monday,
June 23, 2008 6:53 PM
To: jevans53@kc.rr.com
Cc: Chris Evans
Subject: Re:
RESPONSE TO DOUG From June
Well, June, did
you send that accusation about Colossians to anyone other than Chris
and I? Did you really send it to me for a rebuttal? Or with
haughty eyes to show that "people are on to you
Doug!"? Because if you say that you're acting in and by
the love of Christ, I gotta tell you, I'm not feeling it.
You have done this
over and over. You posted on the discussion board a block of text
that was from Dan Peebles youtube video and didn't attribute it to
him - and even made your own additions. You have posted other
articles that seemed to justify your position and done so anonymously
as if it was from you. You have recruited other people to spout
your case for you. You have played the victim over and over to get
sympathy when you know full well that last summer YOU sent Chris an
email saying that YOU were divorcing HIM. And you know full well that
he did NOT try to divorce you twice - but that you changed the venue
from Jackson County to Clay County and resisted it all at every step.
You have been double-minded for as long as I've known of you -
waffling between obeying God and spitting hate.
You have snuck
onto the discussion board (from which you were banned repeatedly) and
said you were a "brother" and you have lied about many,
many things. You called Chris once and said the Value Place Hotel had
a warrant out for us for damaging a bathroom door - which was pure
fiction. I don't even know where to start on how many lies you have
told and continue to tell. You have assaulted me physically (and
Chris), you have called the police on me for nothing, you threw a
chair at my van and damaged it, you tried to push me down a flight of
stairs, you have stolen from me (signs in the park), you have
gossiped and spread hate, you have harassed me, you have even tried
to kill me by running me off the road with your SUV -- and still you
insist that I'm the one that needs to repent and that you are a
righteous, godly woman acting like Jesus and being a victim. You
continue to spread lies and participate with those who spread lies.
You continue to deny the clear Word of God - about your own actions -
and about instructions about spiritual gifts and impartation and
other things that are very well documented in the books that I have written.
Whatever my sins
might be, if you continue to try to stand in a place of righteousness
pointing fingers as though people should listen to you, then I await
YOUR video acknowledging that you are a bitter, murderous, violent,
angry, unrepentant woman who seeks to control and manipulate all
those around her. I await your video where you acknowledge
publicly that you heard the Lord God say outside my furniture store,
"This is the way. Walk in it with your husband." and flatly
refused over and over. If you are righteous and holy and hearing
Jesus, then YOU lead the way, June. YOU show me how real public
repentance is done.
You have people
all over the world sucking out of your cup - and it's full of poison
and hate.
Few people have
hurt me as much as you have. Never did I call the law or look to man
or take action against you - which I had every legal right to do over
and over (and retain even now). Yet I stand here, as you rail
against me, and wait for you to repent. I wait and I pray for the
salvation of your soul. You CANNOT do these things and think
that you are safe with the Lord. You have been going your own way for
a very long time and hurt many people - and hurt the Bride. Whatever
you may think my sins are - you are blind and deaf and dumb to all
conviction of the Holy Spirit if you can justify the things I've said
above as being done in the Name of the Lord. If your conscience has
been seared as with a hot iron - then I don't know if there is any
hope for you.
I don't see the
point of having a theological argument with you. You are not a
serious inquirer seeking to reason together - you are an
Inquisitor. You will not hear and you twist everything to suit
you and justify the actions you have already determined on doing -
regardless of whether they are right in the eyes of God.
But I sure do
appreciate all that you are doing to get the web address out there
all over. Our website traffic is up three or four times normal!
You're doing a great job of refining the sheep and showing them that
when you obey Jesus, people WILL lie about you and try to kill
you. Nearly every day I get calls or emails from people who see
through the lies and are drawn to the website BECAUSE of all the
people you have recruited to bang pots and pans and making useless
noises. People see that this that you are doing is NOT of God and
they're not buying it. And anybody that IS swayed by your nonsense,
I'm kind of glad to not have in my hair anyway (until they
repent). Believe me, I'm not the least bit angry with you or
anything. I understand how the Lord is using you to refine me and to
refine all those that DO listen to the twisted, angry spirit that is
speaking through you. There will be a lot of repenting and crying,
and really beautifully transformed lives, when the Lord opens their
eyes and they finally see your actions in the Light of His Truth -
and repent for their part in feeding the hate, bitterness and self
that you are spreading.
May the Lord Jesus
Christ richly bless you in whatever way He thinks best. And,
for the sake of the Bride and of your soul, may He do it swiftly.
Doug
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
FROM
JUNE TO DOUG
(WOW!
That was fast! Her comments in BLUE - as she sent them. Totally unedited.)
From: jevans53@kc.rr.com
Sent: Monday,
June 23, 2008 7:25 PM
To: Doug Perry [mailto:doug@fellowshipofthemartyrs.com]
Cc: Chris Evans
Subject: Re:
RESPONSE TO DOUG From JUNE
Well, June, did
you send that accusation about Colossians to anyone other than Chris
and I? Did you really send it to me for a rebuttal? Or with
haughty eyes to show that "people are on to you
Doug!"? Because if you say that you're acting in and by
the love of Christ, I gotta tell you, I'm not feeling it.
Your
feeling come and go just like the wind Doug, you are a double minded
man unstable in all your ways. And the fruit shows it. DO I HAVE TO
PEOPLE COME FORWARD ABOUT ALL THE JUNK AT BTL STORE.
You have done this
over and over. You posted on the discussion board a block of text
that was from Dan Peebles youtube video and didn't attribute it to
him - and even made your own additions. You have posted other
articles that seemed to justify your position and done so anonymously
as if it was from you. You have recruited other people to spout
your case for you. You have played the victim over and over to get
sympathy when you know full well that last summer YOU sent Chris an
email saying that YOU were divorcing HIM. And you know full well that
he did NOT try to divorce you twice - but that you changed the venue
from Jackson County to Clay County and resisted it all at every step.
You have been double-minded for as long as I've known of you -
waffling between obeying God and spitting hate.
You
need to look at the case net and see the truth there. That Chris did
the change of Venue and then dismissed it. Chris refilled the divorce
papers on March 18. So take a look at case net yourself and see
with your eyes. LIES THAT CHRIS TOLD PEOPLE THAT I DIVORCED HIM TWO
YRS AGO. OH POOR CHRIS YOUR WIFE DIVORCED YOU? LIES CHRIS YOU ARE NOT
REPENTIVE OF BREAKING A MARRIAGE COVENANT WITH GOD. OH! THAT WRITE
YOU TWISTED THE SCRIPTURE AND ADDED TO THE WORD. I HAVE NOT RECRUITED
PEOPLE THEY CAME OUT ON THERE OWN, WITH ME NOT KNOWING THEY DID
INTILL AFTER THE FACT. THAT IS WHEN I CONTACTED THEM . TO THE GLORY
OF GOD IN JESUS NAME. PLUS MY DIVORCE WITH CHRIS IS BETWEEN ME AND
HIM. DID I INTERFER WITH YOU AND RACHEAL? NO OH! THAT’S RIGHT
YOUR GOD DID NOT TELL YOU TO GO TO COURT, WELL MAYBE BECAUSE YOU
WHERE IN OREGON WITH CHRIS AND PASTOR LARRY GATES.
You have snuck
onto the discussion board (from which you were banned repeatedly) and
said you were a "brother" and you have lied about many,
many things. You called Chris once and said the Value Place Hotel had
a warrant out for us for damaging a bathroom door - which was pure
fiction. I don't even know where to start on how many lies you have
told and continue to tell. You have assaulted me physically (and
Chris), you have called the police on me for nothing, you threw a
chair at my van and damaged it, you tried to push me down a flight of
stairs, you have stolen from me (signs in the park), you have
gossiped and spread hate, you have harassed me, you have even tried
to kill me by running me off the road with your SUV -- and still you
insist that I'm the one that needs to repent and that you are a
righteous, godly woman acting like Jesus and being a victim. You
continue to spread lies and participate with those who spread lies.
You continue to deny the clear Word of God - about your own actions -
and about instructions about spiritual gifts and impartation and
other things that are very well documented in the books that I have
written. YOUR ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORDS.
YOU ARE KNOWN BY YOUR FRUITS. LIES STEALING FROM VENDERS CUSTOMERS,
YOUR OWN CHILDREN. YOU ARE SATAN DOUG.
Whatever my sins
might be, if you continue to try to stand in a place of righteousness
pointing fingers as though people should listen to you, then I await
YOUR video acknowledging that you are a bitter, murderous, violent,
angry, unrepentant woman who seeks to control and manipulate all
those around her. I await your video where you acknowledge
publicly that you heard the Lord God say outside my furniture store,
"This is the way. Walk in it with your husband." and flatly
refused over and over. If you are righteous and holy and hearing
Jesus, then YOU lead the way, June. YOU show me how real public
repentance is done. I SEEN YOUR PUBLIC
REPENTANCE ON THE STREET OF LIBERTY MO, AND THEN SAID THAT LIBERTY
SPIT ON JESUS. FOR WHAT GOD SHOWED ME WHO ARE YOU BETWEEN CHRIS AND I
HE IS NOT MAN ENOUGH TO FIGHT HIS OWN BATTLES. YOU ARE NOT SHOWING
ANYONE THE LOVE OF JESUS. EVERY THING HIDDEN WILL BE REVEALED GOD
SEE’S IT ALL.
I
DID NOT COMMIT ADULTRY AND THEN TWIST THE SCRIPTURE TO JUSTIFY SIN.
CHRIS DID AND CONTINUES TO DO SO. BOTH OF YOU ARE RUNNING FROM GOD.
DOUG I SEE YOU IN THE PIT THINKING THAT JESUS IS THERE AND CHRIS AND
ANDREW ARE ON THE LEDGE THINKING ABOUT JUMPING IN.
You have people
all over the world sucking out of your cup - and it's full of poison
and hate. YOU TEACH UNBIBICAL TRUTHS AND YOU
HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT OF MANY CHURCH’S. PEOPLE MUST BE WARNED
ABOUT YOU AND CHRIS. CHRIS AND HIS HOMOSEXUALITY PROBLEM. SPIRITUAL
WIFES, ADULTRY. THOSE THAT PRACTICE SUCH THINGS WILL NOT INHERIT THE
KINGDOM OF GOD. YOU TAUGHT THIS TO MANY PEOPLE..
IT
GOES AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD.
Few people have
hurt me as much as you have. Never did I call the law or look to man
or take action against you - which I had every legal right to do over
and over (and retain even now). Yet I stand here, as you rail
against me, and wait for you to repent. I wait and I pray for the
salvation of your soul. You CANNOT do these things and think
that you are safe with the Lord. You have been going your own way for
a very long time and hurt many people - and hurt the Bride. Whatever
you may think my sins are - you are blind and deaf and dumb to all
conviction of the Holy Spirit if you can justify the things I've said
above as being done in the Name of the Lord. If your conscience has
been seared as with a hot iron - then I don't know if there is any
hope for you. DOUG YOU NEED TO REPENT.. WHEN
YOU COME TO MY PROPERTY AND CAUSE A COMMOSION YES I WILL CALL THE
POLICE. YOU WERE NOT WELCOMED JUST AS I WAS NOT AND YOLAND WAS NOT
WELCOME AT YOUR HOUSE. THE VOICE YOU HEAR IS NOT OF GOD, WHERE ARE
YOUR FRUITS OF REPENTANCE? MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT
BY THE PEOPLE YOU HURT,USED , PAY BACK ALL THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE STOLEN FROM?
I don't see the
point of having a theological argument with you. You are not a
serious inquirer seeking to reason together - you are an
Inquisitor. You will not hear and you twist everything to suit
you and justify the actions you have already determined on doing -
regardless of whether they are right in the eyes of God.
HOW
YOU AND CHRIS TWISTED SCRIPTURE WITH DIANA AND WITH NICOLE.
PRAISE GOD THEY SEEN THE TRUTH AND RAN FOR THERE LIVES! | 
