Response to Clare

Doug's comments in bold. Clare's original email is in the midst of this, with the exception of a couple of paragraphs about Chris. It is available online elsewhere for people to reference, if necessary.  At the bottom is Clare's (non)response to Doug's concerns. (HERE)

From: Doug Perry, Fellowship Of The Martyrs (fotm1), 6/3/08
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Dear Clare - and the rest of those listening,

This is my formal response to Clare's email from May 25th, and below that, my response to her email from May 26th. There have been additional emails that went out making accusations and I'll try to address them as I'm able. I pray the Lord will speak TRUTH in all things here and that eyes will be open to the SPIRITS that are operating behind these things. I have withheld speaking at all for a long time, while people have gotten more and more vicious. Yesterday (6/2/08), the Lord said it was time to respond. Please pray for me as responding is even more dangerous than keeping silent.

I continue to pray that Clare's eyes will be open and that she will be led to repentance. I am not angry with her or anyone else and never have been. I know that Christ is grieved by this situation and I continue to seek Him about anything that I have done to contribute to it. Even if you believe that I'm a deceived, megalomaniacal cult leader - if the words I'm speaking here are TRUTH - and lies that you have believed are exposed, then at least pray for Clare and those involved that repentance will flow. If I'm right about this, then I fear for her soul. I don't know how you can do and say these things and still believe that you are somehow scripturally OK with God and "safe". Others that are involved, particularly June, are in a very bad place as well.

Red Dragons are real and we've got a big mean, snarly one here on this web of lies. If I'm wrong, then the things she has spoken will be true and anointed and right. And they aren't. Now, I don't have any doubt at all that Clare BELIEVES the things she says in this email - that makes is all the more distressing.

Clare, please repent. See the control and manipulation and lies for what they are and repent. Please! You KNOW that you have unforgiveness and bitterness in your heart. We talked over and over about the video of Daniel Ekechukwu who died and went to hell because of his unforgiveness. You KNEW and repeatedly preached to people about the danger of that. Your soul is NOT safe if you are harboring bitterness and resentment and have ought against a brother - which you admitted to me you did against Chris and absolutely refused to do anything about. Please, Clare. I don't want you to follow me - never did. I did all that I could to STOP you when you were. But your eyes are not on Jesus if you're doing all these things. Please repent.

(My comments are in bold for clarity. Where Clare's comments were bold, I have unbolded them. If you get this through some medium (YouTube) that removes the bolds, well then you're on your own, I guess. Or you can read it posted on this page - http://www.fellowshipofthemartyrs.com/response_to_clare.htm )

To all my brethren and beloved friends,

It is with a heavy heart and deep sadness that I have to tell you all that I am no longer associated with Doug Perry, and the Fellowship of the Martyrs (FOTM), the "church of Liberty" and "Liberty Disaster Relief".  Doug chose to take this action against me because the LORD had me withdraw my support for him doctrinally, and financially when he chose to leave this address.

That's not true at all, Clare. I didn't take any action against you until you had already made it clear that you wanted nothing to do with me at all. And the only action I took was to change the email password for clare@fotm and to block you from the discussion board. Both of which should have been a complete non-issue since YOU had already said that you wanted nothing to do with FOTM. I didn't "choose" to leave that address. We had corporately agreed to rent the third townhouse and we had every bed full in 615 and ONE bed full in 106. You and Gary had said that you were married and for a whole number of reasons (some of which I'm sure I don't understand) the Lord told me to move to 106. It is less than 100 yards away and you WERE NOT abandoned. That you were hurt personally because you felt like I "moved headquarters" and "abandoned you" is proof positive that you were idolizing me - and all the more reason why the Lord would have me move out. Further, you did not withdraw "your" financial support. Whatever money was there had already been committed to the ministry and you had laid it on the altar. I did NOT move out because you withdrew your financial support OR because of doctrinal agreements. You paint me as a villain when in fact, I moved THEN you pulled the money out of the safe and began finding all kinds of reasons to justify your decision to sever all ties with me - and Gary egged it on for his own control/power issues. Though we have disagreed on things, there was no impending giant clash of doctrines that would lead you to call me "an antichrist" previous to me moving to 106. You were hurt and felt abandoned and angry that you weren't consulted or told ahead of time. You didn't trust God that He was telling me to move and you got in the flesh - and remain so.

I dared to stand against him, in disagreement with his view on quite a number of things which were causing the body of Christ here and around the world a lot of division and distress. (I have disagreed with him on numerous occasions which has caused him to DIS-favor me from his inner circle of 'trusted counselors'.)  He has blocked me from Administrating the Discussion Board, he has blocked me from accessing my FOTM email box, and has removed all my connections from the Liberty Disaster Relief including taking the key to the van which was used for delivering food and goods to the local needy of this community.

Again, none of that happened until after I moved and you renounced wanting to have anything to do with me or FOTM (or any associated ministries).

This was the LORD's ministry into this community which He had me pour my heart into - mostly on my own, except for Suzanne's help at first, and now with Gary helping.

If it was the Lord's ministry then you should not be so quick to distance yourself from it because I am involved.

He also tried to have me arrested just a few days ago for stealing the ministry van which I had taken to go and send some emergency funds to a sister in distress stuck on the road in the storms in Oklahoma. I had the key, of course, which he had given me. The police just laughed, but this incident revealed his heart to me, and I felt saddened and bewildered by it. He has since asked me to forgive him, and I have, although the motives of his heart had been exposed.

You leave out too much, Clare. You leave out that the police were already called to 615 because you had called them on Chris for "trespassing" and you wanted him thrown out of the house. You leave out that you and I had already emailed the day before and I had begged you not to play this "my stuff, your stuff" game. You continued to insist that simply because I moved my sleeping quarters to 106, that I had "abandoned" you. You leave out that the night before I had parked the van in front of 106 and that you took it that morning without permission. (In fact, I hadn't even driven my own van in weeks as you were using it exclusively. However it was not a "ministry van" as you describe it - it was purchased for me by God on my big trip months and months before we moved into the townhouse and set up the pantry.) You leave out that when the police arrived, you instructed them to eject me as well as Chris from the premises and that we were unwelcome. I have admitted that at that moment I got in the flesh and, in response, to your efforts to get Chris in trouble. I went down to 615 when Chris told me the police were called and the Lord said that THAT was your response to "let's not play this game" and that I was to go down, take down the Liberty Disaster Relief sign and get the keys to the van back. I knew that the officer standing there had NO intention of arresting anyone, nor was it ever in my heart to see you in jail or any such a thing. The van was out front and I acknowledged to the officer that you often used it without asking permission. He said, "OK, she wants you out and you want your keys back. Let's go." And I took what FOTM materials I could carry, took the van key, Chris left peacefully, you got the safe key and off we went. You leave out how much of my things you still have at the house and that Gary said if I wanted them to take you to court. You leave out the snarly, haughty look on your face and Gary's. You leave out how many times you have threatened people with calling the police on them if they don't leave "your" house. You leave out how much you are leaning on the Laws of Man to defend you. AND I repented to you for looking to Man to solve my problems when the Lord simply told me to go get the key, not have the police do it for me. And you said you forgave me, but you keep digging it up again and twisting it into something it wasn't - which seems pretty clear to me that you didn't actually forgive me. You leave out that soon after you took any remaining FOTM materials, shirts and other stuff, tore them up, threw them in the trash and "cleansed the house" of the "evil influence of Doug."

He smashed a chair to pieces outside the front door of the house in a rage, which he claimed was the "wrath of God", and has since smashed the "Liberty Disaster Relief" sign which he had taken from this place and nailed to the front of the townhouse that he is now occupying. His colors are showing. Not only has Chris an anger problem, but I am finding that Doug has too when he is thwarted.

You leave out that you refused to have any reasonable discussion, that Gary was being a complete jerk, that the disunity and bitterness and unforgiveness in your heart were already affecting the Body, that you had already manhandled and ejected Andrew after he tried to warn you, and many other things had happened. I was there to try one last time to get through to you and you both refused to hear any voice, went inside and locked the door. I was not angry, nor do I have an anger problem. But the Father was seriously grieved. I don't understand prophetically what it all was, but breaking that chair was a statement about you and your house and that the mercy had run out. At another time, when I tried to talk to you the DAY after you forgave me for everything, had reconciled, we ALL stood in a circle and everyone had a chance to get anything out that they had against a brother - the DAY after that beautiful bit of reconciliation (including Gary asking for forgiveness and hugging me) you and Gary flatly refuse and renounce all of it and start it all up again. You were proud of the new name for YOUR ministry and even when I stood there ASKING you if you needed the van for what God was calling you to do, said, "We don't need ANYTHING from you!" As God is my witness, I was ready at that moment to sign the title over to you. Gary S. is a witness that I stood there OFFERING IT and was treated badly and dismissively. The Lord showed me how all this fighting over "my ministry, your ministry" was STUPID. When I walked back to 106, I got out a screw gun and took down the Liberty Disaster Relief sign and broke it in half and left it out by the trash. I didn't angrily do it or fling it or rip anything. I saw the reality that there were eight men in that house who EACH have their own ministries and to put a sign out front saying that they were all under THAT banner was wrong. So it came down. Better to have none than all this stupidity.

You would accuse Jesus ejecting the money changers from temple of having an "anger problem", given your criteria. There is such a thing as righteous indignation, but you refuse to believe that someone could raise their voice and still be acting like "your" Jesus. Yet the Bible is not on your side.

He is angry with me.  I stopped the financial flow. I had bailed him out of jail in November to the tune of $5,000.00 for non payment of child support. I also paid his lawyer's fees.

Clare, these are all lies. For one thing your dates are wrong, it was NOT in November, it was the 11th of September. A warrant was issued for me because of "Failure to Appear in Court" because they had served me notice of a court date at an address at which I have never lived - and yet held me responsible for not showing up in court! And when the deputies came and nicely escorted me downtown, I told you to pray and do whatever the Lord told you. I SPECIFICALLY and repeatedly told you and the others there NOT to bail me out if the Lord wanted me there for some reason. Yet you came within a few hours with $5000 of the ministry money to make bail. And you repeatedly assured me that you had heard God really clearly about it. Yet know you make it sound like I coerced you somehow. Did you hear God or didn't you? Were you lying then or are you lying now? And, Clare, YOU never paid for legal fees or anything else. You were told by God, by your own admission repeatedly before witnesses that He had told you in NO uncertain terms to take that money and lay it down for the use of the ministry. And when there was an issue about it and you tried to control it, you admitted repeatedly that the Lord had placed it in MY hands for use and that you were to release it. I flatly refuse to acknowledge that I EVER spent YOUR money. Whether the Lord provided through strangers, or the Body or through you - once laid at the altar, it stops being YOUR money. I don't know what it's called in Australia, but here we call that being an "indian giver". I think the Bible calls it "double-minded".

He came to me three weeks ago (Saturday) as nice as can be, nicer than he has been to me in such a long time, and after a while told me that he needed $500 to be paid by Monday 5pm or he could go to jail for non payment of his monthly child support. He asked me if I would pray real, real hard and ask the LORD if I was supposed to help him with that. The LORD said REAL, REAL clear - "No! No! No! HE is responsible for his children and he must pay his child support."  So I heard Doug, and let the LORD deal with the answer.  Now I know why he was so nice to me.

I was not being nice to you to get money. I was being gentle and calm because there was already a lot of tension. And I had already turned you over to the Body for correction because you were no longer able to hear me. I asked you ONE question, you gave your answer and that was that. I made no effort to coerce you. I wouldn't have asked at all, or needed to, had you not taken the money that you had laid on the altar BACK OFF the altar. And the Lord has always been faithful to me with or without you. He always financially met my needs before your house sold and always will. Were I drawing a "salary" then nobody would have any complaint about me using my salary to pay for my bills - which might include child support.  But somehow you make this sound different. You have used "ministry money" for things that were purely personal. So what? The Lord provided this money for the needs of the Body - some mundane, some evangelistic.

He  had not been nice to me for months. On the contrary, he has tried constantly to crush my spirit with judgment and condemnation, even in front of  all the other brethren here. His reasoning for that was to "make me strong".  That it did!  Because if he hadn't over and over tried to crush me, and my spirit, I would not now have the strength and the courage to STAND NOW and say, "Hey, this evil MUST STOP and NOW!"  if you kick a dog often and hard enough, one day that dog will turn and bite you.

Yes and you are turning and biting. (Is that Jesus?) But it's because you repeatedly refused to acknowledge your idolatry, your unforgiveness, the manipulation and meanness in the way you were handling the least of these, you exaggerations and lies (even to children). The Lord WILL force you to see and face what you are hiding inside. How much better for you to have heard the rebukes sent to you THEN rather than all of this.

THIS IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN THE NATURE, THE BEAUTY, THE LOVE, THE MERCY, THE GRACE, THE GLORY, THE MAJESTY, THE WONDER, THE PURE GLORY OF OUR JESUS- MY JESUS!  It is DECEIT and LIES!.....and MUST STOP!  Doug calls himself "a giant wrecking ball".....SO TRUE!  Chris calls himself "God's pit-bull".......what can I say!  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, (as Doug does) but that the world through Him should be saved! He who believes on Him IS NOT CONDEMNED!  (John 3:17-21) There is therefore now NO condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus! - who walk, not after the flesh but after the Spirit! NONE! (see Romans 8:1-2)  Thank You Jesus!  Thank You, my Savior! You truly are THE God of love!

Clare, you cut out half the Bible with this theology of soft, fluffy Jesus. He WILL take a bullwhip to the temple. He will flatten Jerusalem. He will make his own children eat their babies. You quote John 3:16 so powerfully and leave out John 3:17. He is a JUST God and if you DO NOT abide in Him then you stand condemned already. He is the God of JUSTICE. If you do not obey, if you do not walk in love, if you spit on the least of these and lean on the arm of flesh then you stand condemned already.

I have sought the LORD and His forgiveness, I need to seek everyone's forgiveness for not having spoken out sooner about all this.  I ask you all to please forgive me. I have had SERIOUS reservations about a lot of what Doug has been "teaching" for a long time, and have spoken to him about much of it, going to him and pleading with him to look again and seek the LORD on the truth.  He refused not only me, but NUMEROUS other respected elders and prophets who have come to him and challenged him on his teachings.  The trouble is, that a lot of it IS truth!  A LOT is!  And it is powerful.  But some of it is NOT  - and justifies the twisting of the Scriptures to suit his ends. Chris Evans as well.

Clare, the one time that you and I sat down to talk about all your concerns about marriage, you made a long list and we talked it out item by item - and in EVERY instance you saw that you were wrong and repented - and when we were done admitted that you must have had a red dragon because you were not seeing any of it clearly. Are you denying that talk? You have twisted even the things the Lord Himself did to show you truth into something that now even condemns you. You assert that marriage is permanent and the law is supreme and that God acknowledges all marriages on earth as holy - yet you are remarried a third time while two previous husbands are yet alive. You told me at one point that God never acknowledged your marriage to John and said that it was adulterous. You felt that was because the first husband was still alive. Then you asked and the Lord said He didn't acknowledge that one EITHER. Are you denying that you heard that? If so, then how can you justify marrying Gary now? You are the one twisting even the powerful vision the Lord gave you to suit your purposes and defend your arguments.

I especially have a serious problem with these two men's 'definition' of a 'spiritual' marriage. It has been used to justify the relationship between Doug and a woman who is already married, and between Chris and at least 2 other women that he "spiritually married" while still married to his wife.

This story has now grown and been exaggerated into all kinds of things. You don't understand my theology about marriage at all - you've tangled it up with your own preconceptions and hatred of men and the spirits that have whispered to you. You have inferred that Chris has MANY of these and people have listened to these lies and fed it. June told Chris she was divorcing him way back in July of 2006. She is an unbeliever by any measure other than "once saved, always saved" and left him. That she didn't follow through as she said and file is evidence that she is double-minded, not that she was willing to submit to and respect her husband. I am a witness to repeated emails and calls when June demanded a divorce. In fact, Chris has repented for every marrying her and knows that it was not God that joined them together. The Bible is clear that if an unbeliever leaves, you are RELEASED. If not, then how do you justify your own actions? John didn't leave you, you left him.

I cannot support what they are doing, especially teaching that if a person was not TOLD by God to marry the other person it was not a marriage ordained by God and therefore did not exist.

That is not what I believe, nor what I have taught. In fact, I have NO teachings on marriage at all in writing or on the internet. I did not "create" some marriage doctrine - I'm simply trying to understand what God is doing. Clearly the institution of "marriage" is broken. How broken is it and why? Surely it is to be a HOLY estate centered around God. How can it be HOLY because a man issued a piece of paper saying that it is? If it is not GOD centered, then there is a good chance that it's just flesh. As your own history asserts. Would you prefer that I encourage people into "non-spiritual marriages"?

I repent of ever having even listened to such nonsense, let alone being intimidated into a 'sort of' agreement that this could be truth.  God sanctifies marriage.  It is His institution, and the vows taken before Him are holy, and two people becoming one-flesh before Him is HIS alone to break asunder, not ours. (Matth.19:6)

Then why did you divorce John? And why did you assert that the Lord had told you throughout that it was adulterous, that you were wrong and rebellious to have married him and that God DID NOT honor it? Were you wrong then or wrong now? And I have never asserted ANYTHING other than that God should be the ONLY one to break asunder a marriage. Unfortunately many, many people take matters into their own hands - maybe because they were in marriages that were not FIRST a "spiritual" thing centered around God.

I am appalled and horrified that they could pray death for the husband of this precious, deceived woman who Doug has kept in secret - not even allowing her to assemble with her brethren (Hebrews 10:24-27), but separating her and keeping her apart from ANY fellowship with the brethren.

I have not at any time prayed any such a thing. I have ALWAYS been VERY careful about my motivation in ANY prayers. I have not directed anyone's paths or told them to refuse fellowship. These are self-serving lies, Clare.

He has had here change her email address and her phone number so none of us can contact her.  Only Doug has access to her as her 'spiritual mentor'......I fear for her!  I fear for the outcome of this and how it will affect her, although she herself had told Doug well over a year ago that "God told her she was going to be his bride."

These are more lies, Clare. ALL lies. I have not told anyone at any time to change their phone number of email address or make me their "spiritual mentor". I have repeatedly to all that would listen told people to OBEY GOD! These are flat out lies, Clare. The Lord will show this for what it is. I pray that you will repent before it's too late.

If Doug's 'theory' about spiritual marriage were to be the truth, that would render probably 99.9% of all marriages ever, null and void, and billions of children bastards, and also renders God's holy institution of marriage no longer holy.

That isn't true at all. I acknowledge that God chooses what to honor and what not to. You have said yourself on many occasions that probably 99% of the people sitting in "church" are going straight to hell. Why should it be any surprise that the enemy of our souls has been JUST as effective with something as foundational as marriage? Things are VERY bad out there. I have no idea how bad, but far worse than any wants to admit. God DOES NOT automatically honor whatever foolhardy vow we make to someone. That the state or a guy with a funny collar acknowledges something as a "marriage" does not mean that God is forced to agree with them.

The LORD showed me the vision that Peter had when I asked Him about spiritual marriage, when Peter became hungry and wanted to eat (See Acts 10:9-16, 28) and told me that this was not just an application regarding food, but ALL things and people that God has sanctified, we must NOT call unholy, unclean or not of God. At first I mis-interpreted it, thinking that God was telling me that Doug and his "wife's" relationship was of God. I repented of leaning on my own understanding of this vision.

You know, I trust a lot more the anointing that was flowing that evening, than the self-serving justification you have created for it now. And especially since your interpretation of that vision NOW condemns YOU for having left EITHER of your previous marriages! Can't you see that if your understanding of that vision is true, then God sanctified your marriage to John and you could have never possibly heard all those years that it was adulterous?! You are flip-flopping and God cannot bless a double-minded man (or woman). And if it really was God and now you have excused it away and repented for what He told you, then you are dangerously close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

For God has made marriage a wonderful thing before Him, right from the Garden of Eden, and so much so, that He even refers to the Church as the Bride of Christ, admonishing men to love their wives as Jesus loves the church.  I believe that the most important union in a marriage is DEFINITELY between two people spiritually, that couples SHOULD be united in spirit with and before the LORD in marriage and not just physically.  I know that what Doug has put 'out there' about 'spiritual marriage' has caused a lot of concern and grief, and many people have been hurt by their beliefs and subsequent actions.

Much of what has "been put out there" was "put out there" by you and others who have added your own lenses onto what the Lord is trying to teach us all through this. For the record, I don't have ANY doctrine at ALL on "Spiritual Marriage". I simply believe that marriages that are not SPIRITUAL are simply carnal and are not necessarily acknowledged by God as marriages at all. He may choose to enforce a vow you make, or He may choose to crush it and punish you for having made it. He is GOD. He is NOT at our whim and pleasure, endorsing as HOLY whatever fool thing we get ourselves into. THAT kind of doctrine reflects a substantial lack of fear of the Lord and puts Him in a box of our making. He can join or sever anyone that any time. In fact, even if you were married for 50 years and your spouse dies, how can you say anything other than that God ended that marriage? He forcibly divorced you. There are biblical examples of God commanding people to put away the wives they were never supposed to have married in the first place - and presumably then having them remarry the right one!

You can say what you will, but there are also testimonies of people who have been substantially grown and blessed by an understanding that their marriage must FIRST AND FOREMOST be directed by God and blessed by God. You make no mention of the people who have NOT been hurt by an ACCURATE and complete explanation of what it is that the Bible seems to be saying about the need for "marriage" to be spiritual and not carnal. Again, for the record, I AM NOT NOW NOR HAVE I AT ANY POINT said that people can have more than one physical spouse at a time or that adultery is OK or that divorce - when initiated and directed by man - is OK.

I pray that this nonsense will go no further and that ALL will test the spirits and search the Scriptures for the truth before they go believing such 'marginal' and suspect theories. Believe God. Trust in Him, and do not lean on your own - or anyone elses - understanding!

Yes, not mine and not Clare's. Listen to God, study the Word, ask Him to unlock it for you, and then apply what He tells you to. And watch out for the brethren that will turn and rend you because you didn't do it THEIR way - and who don't trust God enough to believe that maybe He really is sovereign and has a plan.

I have LOTS of problems with the 'cup model' as Doug calls it.  The greatest problem I have with it is that the "blue stuff" that Doug and Chris refer to is the Holy Spirit.  I just can't get my head around God enjoying being called "blue STUFF"!  He is holy and righteous and we are told not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. OK....here 's the thing:  If there are three things in our cups, sin (red stuff), self (yellow stuff) and Jesus (blue stuff) and we ask Father God to fill us with Jesus, what happens to the sin and self that is already in the cup?  Does that get displaced?  If so, HOW!?  I can't fill someone else's cup in two minutes and DISPLACE the sin and self in it. That person has to repent of the sin in them and be forgiven of it.....they need to DIE to self also - and that is a life-time process.  I can't SUCK out someone's sin or self and replace it with Jesus either!  And if they REALLY feared God as they claim THEY WOULD NOT CALL GOD "BLUE STUFF"!  I am sorry LORD and my brethren for even LOOKING as though I supported this heresy.

You and I have talked in the past about this issue of calling Jesus "blue stuff". I have taken it to the Lord and even acknowledged to you that the Lord would like me to not do that as much as possible. It's simply a matter of adjustment, not a renunciation of the model. You know darn well that there has been LOTS and LOTS of good fruit from that. You may not want to believe that we can suck the sin out or whatever, but JESUS certainly can! And I have NEVER at any point claimed that the DOUG in my cup had any power or authority at all. I have always sought to get people to a place of repentance (clean out the inside of the cup) and then help them learn how to "be being filled". There is MUCH good fruit from this and the fundamental problem that you have had over and over and admitted to it, is that you cannot seem to get your cup full of HIM and keep it full. Everyone here has seen you operating n the flesh at times and racing around and not making good decisions that were based on His instructions to you. We have seen you pop off at people, get angry, even demand people get out of the van on the way to taking them to the hospital early in the morning on a foggy highway because you didn't like their tone. Most of the time, you later repent and acknowledge you're not full - and then blame your schedule and all the people not helping for your problem. The reality is that you have some places the enemy is accessing and you refuse to listen to those who have repeatedly come to try to get you to address the problems. You let the enemy sneak in and bind you up and now you are just a shadow of the mighty woman of God that I have known you to be. I weep for you, dear friend. I have spent so much time trying to get you to see, to keep your eyes on Him, to keep your cup full. But there is "yellow stuff" in you that is set in concrete. And I fear that if He does not break it up and flush it out, that you will not be able to go where He is calling you to go.

There has been much secrecy at FOTM.  Many 'meetings' behind closed doors, most of which I have no idea what was discussed.

What you mean is that there were conversations and discussions in which you were not included. What you mean is that you feel left out and are hurt and feel betrayed. That you should have been involved in all the details and private meetings and counseling sessions. Even though most of the time your cup wasn't full - and some of it was none of your business. There was never any obligation, nor is it feasible, that ALL should be involved in every meeting. You are not defending Andrew or Rusty or Lisa's right to be in all those meetings - you are expressing your jealousy for having been left out personally.

Some with sisters who have trusted these men, and some have been sucked into stuff that have caused them to run.  Doug used to talk about transparency.  I never saw much....and have found that any person who disagrees with Him or with Chris is immediately labeled having 'a red dragon', and therefore God has placed a curse on them which only God can lift.  They are then ignored, marginalised, and others of their "inner circle" warned that they should be treated as if they are possessed.  Anyone coming near that person in that time needs to be very careful because what is "on" that person could jump on them.  So of course everyone stays well clear of that person. Psychology, spiritual and emotional manipulation and witchcraft have been the order of the day. I have been the prime target for a long time, as many will testify.

Clare, you paint all of this with your own spin to justify the hatred that has corrupted your heart. I have never closed my arms to ANYONE - not even June. When they came back for prayer or had needs or repented or anything, they were always received back. I have never ejected ANYONE from fellowship nor have I commanded people to stay away from them. Are spirits real? Yes. Do they spread? Surely. Should we always have our armor on? Of course. This letter alone is evidence that people can get "slimed" by anger and bitterness and fear and jealousy that the enemy uses to divide the Body of Christ - and uses CHRISTIANS to foment. You have not been the prime target Clare, you have been the one behind a WHOLE lot of the control and manipulation and rule-setting and telling people what to do. Even now you are mostly mad at me because I didn't do what YOU wanted me to do - stay in 615 and spend time with you. Yet I could NOT because you had made me an idol - and still are in an inverted way.

I have seen you coerce people with food, with money, with guilt, with a hug, with a roof, with the police, with force, and with other people you have rallied to your cause. For nearly three years, I have seen you "triangulate" and rope other people into your arguments to defend your "side" and "join your army". People that should have NEVER been involved and for whom many negative consequences have resulted. This kind of stuff has done MUCH harm to the Body and continues to do so. At its heart, it's an absolute lack of faith in God that HE can handle things and that you should just watch and ONLY do what He tells you to and NOT lean on your own understanding.

You leave out that Gary, your now husband, would have NEVER been here at all had Chris not driven (straight thru) to Phoenix to spiritually hog-tie him and bind up everything (a job which you now mock him for) and got him on a plane to Kansas City. Gary would also not be here if not for my intervention the third night he was here and being attacked spiritually and he barged into your room while he was not conscious of what he was doing. You wanted to throw him out the next day and I insisted that hospitals DO NOT eject sick people. We got him delivered, free of addiction to drugs and some time later, you two married. Yet you refuse to acknowledge your debt to JESUS for having used Chris and I to make this happen. So much of the fruit that you have seen, of the growth that you have experienced or have seen in others, of the provision that has come, of the vision for ministry and revival - is because you were sent by God to Liberty to be, as you have often claimed "Doug's armor bearer". Yet now, you insist that it's all waste and fraud and lies and satan. Even to calling me an antichrist (or THE Antichrist according to one witness!). So did God tell you to come help or not? Were you wrong then or are you wrong now?

Accountability was thrown out the window a long time back.  I brought all that I had and laid it at the feet of the apostles.

No, you didn't. You said that you did. But you always kept a grip on it and continue even now to assert that it was YOUR money. Which is it, Clare? Did God tell you to lay it down or didn't He? Was it God's money or Clare's money? What does God do with people that takes sacrifices back OFF the altar?

So much of that money (into the 6 figures) has been spent by Chris on "mission trips" chasing 'spiritual brides', large sums of money spent on gas, covering large distances, motel accommodation, and a pretty comfortable life-style.

You exaggerate again and impune and insult. Chris was called by God to be on the road a lot of the time. Hard duty to be sure. God has prepared him with past jobs to be many long hours on the road. You have repeatedly, MANY times, prayed with me about if we were to give Chris money for this or that trip and heard that we were. You make it sound like NONE of this was God-directed and that is a lie. Either you were hearing God or you weren't, but don't make like we never prayed together about ANY of this. And, while it's not in this email, you have made the assertion elsewhere about this "comfortable lifestyle" that you assert, that Chris didn't stay at Super 8 or Motel 6 type hotels but hotels that cost over $100 a night. These are ALL LIES, Clare. And if you deny it, then prove me wrong. I dare you to show me ONE SINGLE SOLITARY receipt. I dare you to testify to ANYONE that you have even seen the bank statements listing his expenses. I dare you to confess to the world ANY single instance of Chris staying at a hotel that was more than $100. Be very careful, Clare. You have stated affirmatively and publicly that Chris did this. Yet you have absolutely no evidence of it and it is entirely contrived. In fact, the ONLY hotel that he OR I ever stayed at that was more than $100 was a single night in the Marriott across from Rick Warren's Saddleback when I was on the road in January of 2007 - long before your house in Australia was sold. And even on that occasion, he hadn't slept well in days and I slept in the van so he wouldn't be bothered by my snoring! On MANY occasions he has slept in his truck or not at all. On many occasions he has stayed with people in their homes and been a great blessing to them. He has fed the poor, ministered to hundreds of people, helped light lampstands, given words of encouragement or rebuke to pastors and others, and many other things that YOU COULD NOT DO. Because it's what HE was made for. I pray that all watching can see that you have unforgiveness and bitterness in your heart toward Chris - mostly because you felt like I preferred him over you. You have said in front of witnesses that you have ought against him and adamantly refuse to do anything about it. THAT is so completely against all that Jesus stood for that I don't even know where to start to quote you verses. Suffice it that if you do not forgive, then YOU will not be forgiven. If you let this stay inside you, it will crush you - and those standing around here that love you and know the difference, feel like it's already destroying you.

This money that was brought to the ministry was to be spent on ministry, especially to help save souls and minister Jesus to the community of Liberty.  A very large slice of the money from my contribution has been used on equipment that Doug and Chris bought for their own use, which they carted away from here to their own place without a second thought.

What equipment?! What "very large slice"?! If you're going to make accusations of theft and fraud and graft, you better have some specifics!! What are you talking about? The paper cutter? The $50 laminator? The copies of my books? What, Clare? WHAT? You CANNOT say things like this without accountability.

What exactly is "a very large slice" of "into the six figures" (which was in fact around $120,000 as I recall, not some exaggerated number that you leave blank so people will fill in with the worst possible scenario). Is a "very large slice" fifty percent? Twenty percent? Would ten percent be considered a "very large slice"? That would be $12,000. Can you show me where Chris or I have $12,000 of "equipment" for our personal use that we took? NO. You cannot because it's a lie. Where is this coming from Clare? Search your heart! What voice are you hearing? Is there ANY witness that you can bring forth that can substantiate the "equipment" that we took? Clare, you need to repent for these lies that you have fearlessly spoken and repeated.

You are spitting on your brethren. What, Clare? What did I take? The computer God provided for me on the road long before this? Chris is on the road (as usual) with his entire worldly possessions in two travel bags. What of the things that he has with him on the road is this "equipment"? Where did we hide it all? Is ANYONE out there listening and going to hold Clare to account? For her own sake, I beg you, these lies HAVE to be exposed so that she will see that she is co-opted by something bad and dark!

I was seldom consulted about their spending.  They just spent as they wanted....Chris's numerous trips out in the vehicles to buy coffee he preferred to the coffee I provided - and food they preferred rather than the food that was prepared for them -all taken out of the funds, making sure their creature comforts were catered for. They sacrificed nothing, and lived very well. They lied about their sacrifices.

Clare, many, many times we were out and you got the same coffee that Chris got. Many, MANY times I have seen you cater to your own "creature comforts". Many, MANY times you have put gourmet meals on the table when we would have all been happy with bologna. You lived very well, too. And often off of ministry funds that I didn't question you about. Yes, there were times you used money from your own account. Just as many times, I used money for things or to help Chris from money that came from sources other than you. Do you have any idea how much that was? No. You don't. Many, MANY times the Lord would NOT allow me to eat anything you prepared. At least as some times because the Bible makes it clear that there are certain people that we are NOT to eat with - including idolaters. In fact, you made me the object of your attention and were jealous of anyone that got time with me. You tried to wait on me hand and foot and do for me. And I don't resent those who serve, but time after time when you drifted into idolatry (and admitted it time after time later), the Lord would have me withdraw rather than feeding it. In fact, during those times, if I eat the dinner you have prepared for me, am I not eating food sacrificed to idols! You make it sound like Chris and I were out at five star hotels eating gourmet meals. More likely I had a bowl of cereal in my room or someone ordered a cheap pizza. Or you made a whole mess of food without asking God and then are frustrated that half the house is fasting! You refuse to admit that this is mostly about your feelings being hurt because you went to a lot of trouble to BRIBE us into fellowshipping with you because you were lonely - and the Lord would not allow us to be witchcrafted and manipulated like that. Please, Clare, we've dealt with this over and over for three years. This rejected little child thing inside HAS to die!

We sacrificed nothing? You really going to stand by that? After all of this? After all you've seen? After all I've laid down for you and others - all that has been given away sacrificially or walked away from. These are lies, Clare. And worse, hateful lies. All that I own can be packed in the back of my van in less than an hour. All that Chris owns can fit in a couple of bags in the front seat of his Trooper. Does getting beat on by people that said they love you qualify as sacrifice? Cause I've been doing that for a long time! All of us have. What sacrifice did I lie about? Did I fake fasting? Was I not on the phone ministering or the web or praying with someone or grieving on my face nearly every day? Was I getting manicures? Was I flying jet planes? Was I getting a hair cut?! Was I playing video games for hours? What are you accusing me of EXACTLY, Clare? You can't spread this kind of stuff all over the world and say things like that and think it's OK. There WILL be an accounting for every idle word. And this email is FULL of idle words.

They pretended to be about their Father's business but looked after number one.  Doug's wife Rachael challenged him many times with the scripture 2 Thess.3:6-12, and I also did likewise a few days ago. He has not responded to it.

So that everyone can see, here is the verse:

2 Thess 3:6-12 (KJV) - 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; 8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: 9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. 10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. 12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

Your dispute is that I do not work. Your argument must then be that if I'm not punching a time clock for a company, for a system of man, then I'm not working and therefore I should not eat. But then, neither are you. And your argument is that you can't because you don't have a work visa. And yet, you are eating. How is it that you are eating? Because God has provided for you through the sale of your house (which didn't have to go the way it did and we know that God intervened there). You are working for GOD (or at least you were) and HE was feeding you. Chris and I are no different. All of those who work for the Gospel should make their living by the Gospel. (I Corin. 9:14). Also that you should not muzzle the ox when they are treading grain (I Corin. 9:9) and that those who sow spiritual things have a right to reap material things (I Corin. 9:11). Paul makes it clear that not all the apostles worked, only he and his, so as not to be a burden on anyone - so that he would not lose his boast. Are you really arguing that those who work for the gospel do not have a right to receive support? (2 Thes. 3:9 above) Are you really arguing that I goof off all day? Are you arguing that I do not have a "job"? Then do you?

Is there any pastor or ministry leader or orphanage director that isn't essentially a charity case dependent upon those who feel led to support the work they are doing? The fact is that I didn't ask you for your money, was shocked when you told me what the Lord had told you and we prayed over and over that NOTHING would get spent outside of His will and that any money that was touched or spent that wasn't His will would be a curse on the person who did it. I meant it. Did you? Is it possible that this has turned into a curse on you? You certainly seemed to be obsessed with money now. One or the other of us is wrong. Sooner or later the Lord is going to shine His light on all of it.

You leave out that over and over YOU bought things to try to "bless me" that could be considered extravagances - or at least not truly necessities. You leave out the thousands upon thousands of dollars that were spent that you and I prayed about together and agreed needed to be spent. Can't you hear the twist you put on all of this to make yourself look like the innocent victim that was wronged by the big, mean boys?

And to be clear, Doug's wife Rachael, also called you a Jezebel and wanted nothing to do with you and refused to allow you in her house or near her children. So you might not want to pretend like she is on your side.

MANY times I asked Chris to help me with this or that, and also Doug, and was told, "The LORD is telling me no, I can't help you."  I gave up asking. I don't know that the admonition of the LORD to bear each other's burdens and encourage and help each other ever touched them.  They took all and gave little in return.  There was no fellowship, nothing.  I asked Doug if we could get together in the mornings for prayer, and was told no.  Mostly one didn't see him before about 11am, anyway, after staying up until 3-4am.

Clare, again, this is your frustration for not getting help to fulfill YOUR mission. You were called to do a certain thing and others were called to do other things. You felt (and feel) that because you were paying the bills, everyone should be helping YOU do what God called YOU to do. That is a giant trap that many of us can fall into, but a trap nonetheless. You took a lot from me, Clare. A lot from Chris, too. We poured out and prayed and cried and begged and loved and rebuked in love did all that we could - while you put up more and more walls of resistance and built up more and more expectation of evil. You wanted to have a regular prayer meeting every morning where all the house came together at a certain time. I objected on the grounds that the LORD needed to be in charge, not a schedule. We have ALWAYS let Him lead and sometimes He does get everyone up in the morning for prayer, sometimes not. To try to schedule and force Him goes against all that we've been learning - and makes us just another denominational, institutional "church" programming God. There were lots of times of fellowship - more than enough for me, but not enough for you because of the deep loneliness that you refuse to acknowledge and satan continues to use to his advantage. And you seem to infer that I was doing something nefarious late into the evening, but you know that it was the only time I could get some quiet on the computer without phones and emails and instant messages. I was, and continue to, work for the Lord from the second I woke up until I couldn't keep my eyes open anymore.

Is it true that now "your ministry house" now has a mandatory curfew at night by which they have to be in or you will lock them out? Is it true that if they associate with me or any one that associates with me that you will eject them from the house? Is it true that when you ejected Rusty (under threat of law because he associated with me), that you actually took his mattress to the basement because he was so "dangerous"? Was it spiritually infected? Or just because you didn't want him to come back and sleep in it? Is it true that Gary had Andrew by the throat and forcibly ejected him and threatened to call the police on him? Is it true that you asked him if he was ready to join YOUR army now? You know that you testified in front of the Body that you DID say that - and I believe, given the evidence of the situation now, that it really was the intention of your heart showing, not just a slip of the tongue. Are you really being transparent with all the people that call and email about how controlling and manipulative "your ministry house" has become? That you've locked the food pantry and frequently station "guards" at the front porch to make sure no one comes and takes any of "your" food? What happened to trusting the angels? We used to not even lock the door at night! My van sits unlocked nearly all the time - even when I was driving around the country with everything I had in it, the Lord taught me to trust HIM, not police and not even the locks on the doors. You have fallen very far, Clare. Ruled by fear and finger-pointing and anger - and Gary.

I have a witness who stayed in Doug and Chris's room who came to me very distressed one day, who had seen pornographic material being watched.  I spoke to Doug about it later but he didn't seem to be all that concerned about it.

Clare, again this is twisted and self-serving and a lie at its heart. By the way you say this, you make it sound like this incident happened IN Doug and Chris' room - so somehow I'm involved. Since this allegation has already been used on the internet by others to brand me as a pornographer, I'm asking you to bring for ANY witness that testifies that I was looking at pornographic material. I'm serious, Clare. You better buck up and speak this with boldness and facts or repent for saying this. It's being used against me as if it's fact and this whole statement is full of innuendo.

The FACTS are that a brother from another country, from a very sheltered lifestyle had concerns about a movie that Chris was watching. He DID not assert that it was Pay-Per-View porn or anything like that. He came to me about it with his concern that Chris shouldn't be watching an "R" rated movie, because he felt it was pornographic. He had simply walked by, looked over Chris' shoulder and seen something on the computer that concerned him. I'm not defending whatever movie Chris might have been watching at the time (nor claiming God told him to) - but I know that this brother has a VERY different threshold of what is "pornography" than does the average American. I told this brother that he needed to approach Chris directly about his concerns, that it was not right for him to come to me (first, I'm not Chris' head and second, the Bible says to go to the brother). I have checked with Chris and neither he nor I remember this brother ever having done that - but he went to you. And now YOU have gone to the world with it. This is NOT Jesus. This is cowardice on all sides.

Yes, there was fruit from them.  Bad fruit. Every now and then there would be a praise report, but mostly the fruit was bad.

That's a harsh charge. What is "every now and then" EXACTLY. And how much bad fruit do YOU have? And when did we go public with a long list of what WE thought was your bad fruit? This is totally subjective and influenced by all the stuff that is festering inside you, Clare. I have pages and pages of emails thanking me for time spent or prayers or books written. I have a whole bunch of thank you's to us for having sent Chris out and it made so much difference for this or that family. I pray that people can see that charges like this are USELESS and unmeasurable and totally subjective. Show me FACTS and define clearly what YOU say is bad fruit. Not helping you? Watching a movie? Not eating your dinner and fellowshipping with you? Having a private meeting? Being willing to be used by God to speak a harsh word to someone that will not hear? Breaking a wiggly chair as a statement of God's judgement over your house? Do we really need to make this a "Fruit-off" where we start whipping stuff out to prove something? My goal in this has never been to humiliate or embarrass you publicly - simply to get you to see that there is a serious problem here and some things you HAVE to lay down. None of this ever had to go this way, had you received private rebukes and been truly repentant all the times you repented - and truly forgiving all the times you forgave.

Always the reasons given for anything at all was because the LORD told them......or the voice that they claimed to be the LORD. Which brings me to a problem that concerns me greatly.......

I do not know of ONE of the mighty (and not so mighty) men of the Scriptures, or even those since, who have had to ask the LORD what shirt to wear in the morning or even if they were allowed to go to the toilet for a 'nature call'.  I know that the LORD gave us wisdom, and the book of Proverbs is 31 chapters of wisdom and how to live - apart from the rest of the Bible.  If God wanted us to be totally obedient moment by moment of our waking lives, the Bible and the wisdom that He imparts would be almost unnecessary - particularly Proverbs.

Proverbs 3:5-6 - "Trust the Lord your God with ALL your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In ALL your ways acknowledge Him and HE will direct your paths."

That is from the book that you say does NOT tell us to let Him direct ALL of our paths. Did you really just speak with your own mouth (fingers) that God DOES NOT want us to be totally obedient moment by moment of our waking lives?! Are you sure that is a sustainable argument?

I am not called to be like Samson or Gideon or Stephen. We are called to be like JESUS. So how did Jesus do it?

John 5:19 (KJV) - 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Jesus, our master, king, commander - our exemplar - never did ANYTHING except what He saw the Father doing. He NEVER directed His own paths. THAT is our example. The mightiest man of all the mighty men of the Bible obeyed Proverbs 3:5-6 EVERY WAKING MOMENT.

How about this?

John 16:12-15 (KJV) - 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Even the HOLY SPIRIT only says what He is told. THAT is obedience. That is our calling. If the mighty men of the Bible were the top of the heap, then Jesus would NOT have said that the LEAST of us with the Holy Spirit is greater than John the Baptist, the greatest of the prophets. You err. We are to be radically obedient all the time. Else show me which times the Bible says it's OK to go our own way and lean on our own understanding.

A whole lot of the Bible is law that was established for Israel AFTER they refused to hear God's voice. And the Father Himself bemoaned the situation and longed for a people that WOULD want to hear His voice and obey. (Deut. 5:26) A whole lot of the Bible is there for the people that WILL NOT listen to His voice. But the man that is lead by the Spirit is NOT under Law. (Gal 5:18). And those that are Sons of God are those that ARE led by the Spirit - not by reason or logic or proverbs or tradition or "common sense". (Romans 8:14)

What about the righteous remnant in Revelation that are dressed in white and Christ is their head and NO lie proceeds out of their mouth? Are they real? Do you think they are depending on "wisdom" and "proverbs" and reasoning things out - or are they RADICALLY obedient at all times to His headship? They follow the Lamb wherever He goes. (Rev. 14:1-5)

At the root of this, you refuse to let Him direct all your paths - we've seen you yourself assert that God told you to do something that was totally flesh. We've seen you do things without even asking if it was the Lord's will - and use this "He gives us a brain" argument to justify it.

Fine, do what you will. But this is the reality of MY walk - and that of thousands of others that are SCARED TO DEATH of touching the steering wheel themselves. Do I make mistakes? Sure. Do I hit trees sometimes? Sure. But NOT when He is driving. Only when I take the wheel.

The LORD gave us CHOICE - just like in the Garden of Eden. (Deut.30) If God made us to be robots then our love for Him would not be love, but simple obedience. God desires to receive our LOVE! True love is a CHOICE.  The Word is our lamp to our feet and the light to our pathway (Psalm 119:105)...why would we then need to HEAR AUDIBLY the 'voice' of the LORD telling us EVERY move?

The Lord gave us CHOICE so that we could LAY IT DOWN and be a Bondservant. Bondservants don't get choices, they obey. We have choices long enough to decide that we always choose wrong and then we hand the headship over to HIM and stop trying to do it ourselves. That is LOVE.

So have you ever heard God speak or not? Because even in THIS email you assert VERY firmly that you heard God say, "NO! NO! NO!" about child support. Was that an "audible" voice? Do you mean outside your head like thunder or inside your head but literal? If God speaks then it's simply a matter of how often you hear Him. And that depends on how much of YOU is in the way clogging you up. And if you get REALLY unclogged, you'll probably hear Him pretty good. That you are not, Clare, is evidence that you're clogged up - because you used to hear Him real good all the time and you didn't make these kinds of arguments. Unless you want to deny that you did then - in which case you were either wrong then or wrong now. If He is real and He is Abba, why wouldn't I want to hear Him about every move?

There  are MANY ways the LORD tells us things - so I suspect that many of the voices that are heard are not of the LORD, but simply 'self'. The audible voice of God was SELDOM heard by the prophets of old....sometimes only a couple of times in a lifetime.  He spoke only when He had revelation for them to give to the people.  The rest of the time they lived according to the Law and/or the guiding of the Holy Spirit.  It certainly was not every minute of every day.  To teach others that it is infinitely desired to hear the audible voice of God, causes them to think that there is something wrong with them if they do NOT hear this 'voice' all the time as most don't, and they go into a tail-spin because they think God is not hearing them and doesn't love them!

That's a giant crock, Clare. There are many examples of the old testament prophets hearing Him a lot and regularly, telling them to do all kinds of things, including give messages to the people. And even MORE SO in the New Testament where God is directing their paths and telling them not to go to certain cities and helping them constantly. What exactly is the difference between the guiding of the Holy Spirit and hearing God? Have I differentiated? Have I told people that if you're not hearing "a voice" then it doesn't count? I have repeatedly tried to show people all of the different ways that the Godhead might speak to you and how to listen and why you should obey. There are MANY people that hear Him (in some form or another) all the time and are directed by Him and would not trade it for anything in the world. I am NOT going to start backing down and telling people to only expect to hear from God once or twice in their lifetime and then only on REALLY important stuff! What kind of relationship is THAT?! I do not teach that it is "infinitely desired to hear the audible voice of God" - I teach relationship with a living God that walks beside you and desires to direct all of your paths. Because His WORD says that is what He is and what He wants. We are Bondservants, not free agents. And we are Sheep that are SUPPOSED to hear His voice - not just in emergencies, but ALL the time.

DEMONS!   How much glory does God get when men chase around after demons, powers and principalities?  None.  If you are game, try reading "The Key of the Mysteries" by Eliphas Levi. (It can be found on line).  The Sword that destroys the "gods" is right there. If you do a google search on the author, you will see he was mentor to Aleister Crawley, the "beast" - the biggest satanist to ever live.  Crawley also had a book written with the "help"of IWAS, a "god" who would talk to him regularly....WOW ! There is much in this book that has a ring about the 'games' that Doug and Chris have played inviting the demons in and messing with them.  This is not a comic-book game!  THIS IS LIFE AND DEATH!  I remember clearly a long time back the horror that I felt when another person who was 'fellowshiping' with us at the time invoked all the demons, inviting them to come from Kenya to Liberty.  The next was the whole continent of Africa.  I had so many checks  in my spirit, my hair stood on end.  I prayed and prayed that the LORD's protection would be over us, and that He would shield me with the blood of the Lamb. I remember Doug going out after these hords and 'doing warfare' against them.  He often describes the things that he does in the spirit to these demonic powers, torturing and tormenting them.  I have only seen a few demons with my natural eyes, but I have seen their influence in a person and in people's lives and the influence that they have over people. I know one thing, that if I chase after them they will end up having a controlling influence in my life.

And if you ignore them, they will STILL have a controlling influence in your life. We are NOT to ignore them. The Bible is clear that our battle is spiritual and real. You have seen them with your own eyes and you have seen COUNTLESS people delivered in the last three years. Even children manifesting all kinds of demons that were freed by this "warfare" you insist we mustn't do. The VERY FIRST thing that someone with a Red Dragon does is go after the Red Dragon book and start this whole line of "we're giving satan glory by talking about demons so much". You and I have been through this before. Over two years ago you insisted that we were emphasizing this too much and that it was going too far - and a sister received a word that the Lord was not happy and was sending a very special demon just to prove it to you if you didn't repent. And you didn't. And you took me up on the challenge. And the Lord afflicted you with this thing so bad that you were repenting and begging to get it off three days later. Do you forget the lessons that He has taught you? Do you forget the witchcraft and loneliness and fear and so many other things that were RIPPED off of you time after time and you KNEW it? At our own peril do we have to tread the same ground again! I stand by what the Lord has shown me. I stand by the reality of our weapons of spiritual warfare and our access to God's armory. There are MANY weapons that are accessible to us for the battles He puts before us. Our enemies have weapons, why shouldn't we? Ultimately we will be judged by our fruit. And I have a long string of people getting free from fear and addiction and schizophrenia and physical illnesses and all kinds of things and walking in victory. Not in the power of "Doug"! Not ever. But in the Name of Jesus Christ our Lord, nothing can stand against us. Unless you choose to ignore it, say the battle is already over, throw open all the doors and just sing and dance with your fingers in your ears as if they're not really there.

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!!!!  JESUS ALONE MUST BE LIFTED UP - HE ALONE MUST BE THE CONTROLLING INFLUENCE IN MY LIFE!   "Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil,when he disputed with the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The LORD rebuke you!" (Jude 9) 17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name." 18 And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven." (Luke 10:17-20)

Eliphas Levi in the Introduction to his book talks about weapons....."When a man becomes a magician he looks about him for a magical weapon; and , being probably endowed with that human frailty called laziness, he hopes to find a weapon ready made."

You're quoting WARLOCKS now to prove your point? You're reading books about witchcraft to show where I'm wrong? Are you sure that's a good idea? The Word of God is clear that ANYTHING the enemy has is a cheap counterfeit of whatever WE have in Christ. Our God is able to do abundantly, exceedingly beyond anything we can think or imagine.

I have wondered at these weapons - gatling guns, nukes, and other carnal weapons that these two intrepid 'warriors' bring out and take on the hords from hell with. Having seen them for countless hours watching extreme-violence videos where people get mushed in a mili-second with the most outlandish weapons, by super-heros that are straight out of comic books, I think how far off track this is from the words of Paul to the Ephesians in  6:10-20 and his admonition to take up the Sword of the Spirit which is THE WORD OF GOD to use against the enemy.  Satan was overcome by the word of our testimony and the blood of The Lamb (Rev.12:11), our weapons of warfare NOT being carnal (of the flesh) but mighty in God for pulling down of strongholds.(2 Cor.10:3-6)

Your insulting tone continues to show your bitterness and anger. What exactly are "countless hours"? You're really going to need to quantify that for us. Have you seen me watch five movies in three years? Maybe. Ten? I doubt it. I won't speak for Chris, but I'm pretty sure that I can count all the movies I've seen in three years on two hands. And pretty much ZERO television. A handful of times I was allowed to spend a couple dollars at the arcade. TOTAL free time in three years. No other hobbies, no fishing, no softball leagues, no nothing that could realistically be called a diversion. If you would like to quantify "countless" into something that is actually useful, please do. (And lets be clear that YOUR idea of an "extreme-violence video" would be like the movie "300".)

You misuse the reference to Word of God, when you call it the Bible, instead of the Risen King. (John 1:1) In the Greek in that verse you quoted, the "Word" is "Rhema" not "Logos". It is the active, current, given, living Word of God. It is Christ in us speaking His Word (Himself) through us and rebuking them for us. And the verse is clear that our weaponS (plural, not just a sword) are mighty. You rely too much on Ephesians 6 alone for a description of our weapons and armor and shields. In fact, the Bible describes the spiritual weapons in God's arsenal in MANY places and they are MANY and varied. And they are described with the terminology of the day that is most impressive. That is, the scariest weapons of war that the people knew. I have posted a list of the verses relevant to this topic here - http://www.fellowshipofthemartyrs.com/weapons.htm . I would like you to tell me which of these are NOT spiritual weapons and/or which of these is NOT available to JESUS. Because the Word says that I'm dead and it's CHRIST in me that lives and that He is my defender and that it is the Spirit of God that fights for us - so which of these weapons are NOT accessible to Jesus and/or the Holy Spirit?

There are lots of things not in the Bible - like microphones and electric keyboards and PowerPoint presentations and offering plates and other stuff that we have NO problem using for the glory of God and believing that they are acceptable to Him to build His kingdom - even though they're not in the Bible. If Paul were here today describing our spiritual armor and weapons in terms that would captivate and encourage an audience that is under persecution by an army of Man - and make them feel that they were mightier than the armies of those coming against them - I'm just sure Paul wouldn't describe Roman armor from the first century, but Kevlar and night vision and encrypted radios and sniper rifles. And probably a shoulder-fired nuke or how to call in an air-strike from Headquarters on a target. If you're going to be a literalist, stop using microwave ovens and telephones.

Read the verses on that page and tell me that a sword is all that we have - and that that simply means to read the Bible to the bad guys. If you believe that, keep doing it. Use what you got. But I'm going to keep doing what the Lord has trained me to do. The hand should not say to the foot, "I have no need of you."

IF WE FOCUS ON THE ENEMY WE ENABLE HIM AND GIVE POWER AND GLORY TO HIM!  WE MUST FOCUS ON JESUS ALONE!!! THE ENEMY SATAN, AND ALL HIS HORDS, IS DEFEATED AND HAS BEEN FOR TWO THOUSAND YEARS, and NOT by US, but by the RISEN AND ALL-POWERFUL SON OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST WHO IS LORD OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I have power to cast out demons!  I do not have authority to go chasing after principalities and powers and doing the work that EVEN THE ANGELS FEAR TO DO!

No, you don't have power. You have nothing. You are nothing. There is no good thing in you (or me) but Christ. CHRIST in you has the authority and power to cast out demons. And He can cast down whatever size bad guy He wants. Can't He? I mean if the Holy Spirit is speaking through us, isn't that the EXACT SAME THING as, "The Lord rebuke you!" ??

Satan HAS NO POWER OVER ME UNLESS I ALLOW HIM!  NO weapon formed against me can prosper, and every tongue that rises against me in judgment I SHALL CONDEMN!  How do I know this?  BECAUSE GOD SAYS SO! This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and MY RIGHTEOUSNESS IS FROM HIM! because the LORD said so in Isaiah 54:17.

And, Clare, if you are not INSIDE the Strong Tower, if you are not abiding in Christ, obeying His Word then you have NO such protection. If you are practicing "gossip, envy, malice, strife, slander, haughtiness, foolishness, boasting, ruthlessness" and others, then you deserve to DIE. Does that seem harsh? Well, that's what Romans 1: 28-32 says. You have absolutely NO - ZERO - protection from the bad guys if you are doing those things that PROVE that you are not abiding in Christ.

I have been told by Doug that "God loves him more than David". Whew!  I have had a big problem with this, but when Doug claims to be responsible for the WHOLE WORLD, I know that his pride has messed with him, especially when he walks away from the responsibility of his own two little girls who have done NOTHING to deserve the rejection of their own father.  They will have a really tough "father filter" to look through when they view Father God in years to come and are told by Him that "I will NEVER leave you nor forsake you!" when their own father, who claims to be His ambassador, has done just that.  I believe that Jesus Himself is responsible for the World, not Doug. You see, Doug HAS made this all about himself....even though he would protest that.  His actions speak loud and clear.

OK, to start with, several years ago at the furniture store I heard "I love you more than David." I spoke it to TWO people (as I recall) at that moment and then ignored it and dismissed it. I have never said it again that I can recall, nor given it much thought. I don't think you understand how much the enemy tries to mess with people's heads - and how much I know better than to play along with that. Alexander Dowie was derailed in the 1880s when two followers came and told him he was Elijah - and he rebuked them but could never get it out of his head. He ended up wearing silk robes and believing that he was BOTH of the two witnesses in Revelation! William Branham similarly. I have had people come and tell me that God had told THEM that I was the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6, that I was "the Third Adam", that I was one of the two witnesses, and all KINDS of seemingly goofy things that may or may not have been God at all. And I know better than to get my head into ANY of that stuff. Because I understand the "spirals" - that God can mean multiple things, I just dial it down to the lowest possible spiral - or figure He's talking to Christ in me (Who He DOES love more than David) and not Doug in me.  For example, I know LOTS of people that have heard they were one of the two witnesses or that they were going to be given the mantle of Elisha - evidently there are demons that just go around whispering this stuff. And the Lord allows it to test our pride and sift us. So when I hear something grandiose like that, I look for the least possible meaning. My brother's name is David. Maybe the Lord meant that He loved me more than my brother David, (whose not obeying God very well right now) and not the Bible David. Maybe you're one of the "two witnesses" for your Junior High that the Lord has raised up. It doesn't mean you'll be standing at the Wailing Wall prophesying over the planet! I guess it could, but better to just dial it down all the way and be pleasantly surprised if He means something bigger. In the meantime, find the other one and be the best darn "two witnesses "at your Junior High that you can be. Clare, you're digging up REALLY old, really misunderstood stuff from very early in this walk that even I haven't repeated. You're grasping at straws, not correcting public teachings.

As for the Lord saying "you're responsible" - that dates back the vision that He gave me about the world and how bad it is. I asked Him at the time if He was telling other people that THEY were responsible too - and He said, "Doesn't matter. Go." I never did get an answer. So I have taken that to be a very serious thing and to mean that I need to GO! And I understand that Doug in me is not the least bit dangerous to satan and that the person that can make the biggest impact on the world is whoever has the biggest cup of JESUS with the least YOU in it. So I pray to die daily and decrease so He can increase.

And as for my girls, Clare, you know perfectly well that Rachael left me, not the other way around, that she has restricted visitation, refuses to listen to the voice of God and you YOURSELF gave me a word that she was like Lot's wife and looked back to Sodom and Gomorrah and turned to a pillar of salt and we had to go without her. You stretch too far with this. The Lord is clear that we need to be willing to leave all behind. That those who are married should live as if they are not. That He might even ask you to follow Him and not even go home and say goodbye to your family. You tread delicate ground here. What kind of "mother filter" do your children have because you asked hard questions of "religious" people? All I have ever done is try to push you toward JESUS - and what you have done, in one way or another, for good or evil, is make this ALL ABOUT ME.

Doug admitted that he heard the Father and the Son arguing one day......that is TOTALLY wrong!  John 17 alone tells us that Jesus and His Father are and always have been O-N-E.  In One accord. In One Spirit. ONE GOD....three persons in ONE.  These voices were NOT from or of God! - or Jesus.  Are they the same voices that he has always been listening to?

This is not at all what I said. Not at all. What I said is that I have heard the Son interceding for me or someone else to the Father. And it was a beautiful thing to be allowed to see the REALITY of Jesus' role as our Advocate. The Father is the Judge and Jesus is our Defense Attorney. I never have said or inferred that the Trinity was double-minded or schizophrenic. You were even there at Suzanne's mom's house one night when four witches were astral projecting overhead. You saw them yourself (you said). We prayed about what to do about them and I immediately heard a very firm and permanent, "Cut their cords." (Which is VERY bad.) You and Suzanne heard to give them another chance. We prayed about why we were hearing different things and it became clear that I was hearing the Father who hates witchcraft and immediately judges righteously, and one of you was hearing Jesus and the other the Holy Spirit. And we prayed and got to watch as the Son pleaded for them and claimed them as His inheritance and asked the Father for another chance. And the Father said, "OK, but if they get belligerent and I say it, then cut the cords." And we all agreed that's what we had heard. Was that "arguing"? I believe that we got to see inside the court room of heaven as decisions affecting lives were made. And it was beautiful. I have NOT AT ANY POINT said that they were "arguing" in the sense that you try to make it sound. I will be doing a video about this soon and show the scriptural evidence to back up what I have said. Attorneys "argue" a case, but that doesn't mean at all what you make it sound like.

He claimed one day that Jesus told him to do something, and Doug decided to do it HIS way.  He did, and afterwards Jesus told him that after all, Doug was right and He was wrong.  OoooH! My point is this.  WHO is Doug listening to?  HE claims it to be God.  Does God go AGAINST Himself?

I have never on any occasion said any such a thing. I flatly and completely deny any such a thing. As God is my witness, I have never on any occasion heard God say that Jesus had told me something and I had done it my way and Jesus confessed that I was right and He was wrong. No such a thing ever or anything like that.

On ONE occasion, I was talking to the Lord about doing something and He told me what to do and I said, "Why can't we do it this way?" and I heard, "That's a good idea. Let's do that." And it FREAKED ME OUT! I really, REALLY didn't like that at all and was immediately suspicious of it. I don't even remember what the issue was, and I sure don't remember doing it the way I suggested! That is not at all the same as hearing Jesus say He was wrong - and I don't remember if I even did what I was hearing to do because it freaked me out so much that I would ever even have a good idea at all that was worth suggesting to Him. Could He go with my suggestion? Sure, He's God. Was I hearing God? Honestly, I'm not fully sure. It was a lone, isolated incident and I shelved it because it was such a weird thing for me to hear. I regret that it has been twisted up into this kind of ammunition. When we determine to walk this road of trying to hear the Lord and have real relationship, there are all kinds of bumps along the way.

Does He go against His WORD?  Doesn't He admonish us in the Scriptures to encourage  and uplift each other, to help each other and be there for each other as the body of Christ?  Doesn't He tell us to help those brethren in need?  How many times have I implored both him and Chris to help me when I really needed a hand, and they said, "God told me not to." ....I couldn't count.

Sometimes He tells us to turn over the tables and take a whip to them. Sometimes He tells us NOT to help brethren in need. He can do that too. Sometimes they need refining, sometimes they are being punished. Sometimes he has other things for us to do. I can think of a WHOLE bunch of times (including meeting Dewey) when I heard NOT to drive you somewhere, so you walked, and had you not, you wouldn't have been in the right place at the right time for a divine appointment. Lots of examples, like the Lord telling me not to eat your dinner, you being miffed, then having an emergency call and not making dinner at all! So you were mad, but I was right - I wasn't going to be eating your dinner. Over and over and over. He does NOT always tell us to help our brethren in need in EVERY situation. But He DOES tell us to love UNCONDITIONALLY, to not let the sun go down on your anger, to not take Communion if you have ought against a brother, to forgive seventy times seven, to turn the other cheek - and you're ignore ALL of those!

Chris did nothing around the place to help, and did NOTHING with Liberty Disaster Relief to feed the poor, clothe the naked etc. - nothing.

That's a lie, Clare. I can give you a bunch of examples of Chris helping people, going to the park with ACTS, paying for Tanya's door (that you refused to help with) and other things. "NOTHING" is a really big word to be throwing around - particularly THREE of them in one sentence.  And there were lots of things that he did for Liberty Disaster Relief out on the road that you never saw - and dismiss as useless because he wasn't helping do what God called YOU to do the way YOU thought it should be done.

They claim to be such heros, but have not even contributed towards the upkeep and maintenance of this place, instead expecting others to support their life-style. Yet Paul in 2 Thess.3 (especially v's 7-10) commanded us: 7 "For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8 nor did we eat anyone's bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. 10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat". I know that Rachael also spoke to Doug this scripture many times, but as with many things he didn't want to hear he has rejected this clear admonition.

Now you're just repeating yourself. We dealt with this above. And your assertion that we didn't help with the maintenance and upkeep of the place is also a lie. The entire place was paid for by the funds that God had placed in my hands to be used for ministry. Both us did chores at one point or another, including driving people around, toting stuff and cooking.  And you completely dismiss the MASSIVE spiritual maintenance required to keep the place cleaned out and guarded up - and you fail to see that when you rejected that and it was removed, "your" house turned to complete chaos, violence, strife, disunity, greed, gossip and lust. You said Andrew had a "spirit of disunity" yet you could not deliver him of it and so threw him out of the house and threatened to call the cops. So you sent him up to my place! You believed that "that spirit" had left and yet confessed with your own mouth (and Gary's) later that it was still there and it hadn't been on Andrew at all - and that you had been unable to remove it! And it remains to this day as your jealousies, turf wars, control, rules and manipulation get worse and worse.

Why am I exposing this?  Because they are not living according to the claims they make, it is false, and it has NOT all been about Jesus, but about Doug Perry.

Yes, you HAVE made it all about Doug Perry - and continue to. But I fought tooth and nail to keep you from doing it and you did it anyway - and continue to do it. And you continue to make claims that are false - like that you love and forgive and are telling the truth and are being like Jesus. Understand, I'm not mad - I just want you to see and I want you FREE.

There are many other things that Doug has written about, and frankly it takes away from the simplicity of Christ, and makes it all about the complexity of Doug's very active and fertile mind.  He has been told many times not to let his head and his pride get in the way, but he let both become so entrenched that nobody could speak to him.  He has a degree in psychology and knows how to manipulate and control people.

I have an undergraduate degree that I never used, have renounced, paid no particular attention in class, was a B- student and just wanted out of school. You can try to make me look like some mastermind Svengali that instantly bewitches people with my big brain, but it's just a filter that you have created to dismiss and marginalize. And it's a SPIRIT that is not of God and it's got to go. You are afraid of Chris and of me and that is NOT God either. The reality is that most people don't want to argue with me in person, because they know there is a pretty good chance they'll have to change their position. Not because I'm sneaky, but because I listen to the Lord, I know the Word of God and I make sense!

He claims I have  an unteachable spirit.  I am truly sorry if  I have, and may God forgive me, but it saddens me deeply when those who love him have gone to him time after time after time and said, "Doug you are wrong about this and need to repent!" and he has hardened his heart against their warnings thinking that he is too big and too powerful to be brought to task about anything, and because he has the voice of God telling him every moment of every day the way that he should walk, everybody else MUST be wrong and he alone right - except for those who agree with him.  Sadly those who have loved him and supported him have mostly seen the error of his teachings and turned away from him because he will not repent.  I pray and trust that the LORD will pour out on him the Spirit of Repentance so that he may return to the narrow path that leads from the narrow gate that leads TO everlasting life.

We'll see how unteachable your spirit is and how sorry you are by how you respond to this email. By whether you repent for the clear, blatant lies and slander that you have spoken to the world. By whether you can see through the ugliness of the enemy that you have let into your own heart to fester and rot. You're absolutely right, quite a number of people have come to me and said, "Doug, you are wrong and need to repent!" Some even screaming it in my face and commanding me to stop "all this nonsense" pull down my sites and go get a job. That people have come and demanded that I repent does not make them right. That they are nice people does not make them right. That they have nearly always been unwilling to sit down with me and a Bible and actually dialogue and reason together, is kind of telling. That they have often said, "I'm going to demand you repent and I don't want to hear any argument out of you about it" is kind of distressing. And they claiming innocently that they handled it Biblically and gave me a chance to discuss. One sister refused to sit down and discuss her concerns with me and used the argument that, "I can't talk to him. He knows the Bible too well." HUH?! In fact, this email of yours was NOT sent to me directly at all, you didn't check your facts (or had none) and refuse to allow me or Chris in "your" house.

I'm not "too big and powerful" to be corrected, I've been rebuked and received it willingly repeatedly even in the last few days. The thing is, you better be RIGHT and it better be anointed and it better have the signature of CHRIST on it when you bring it. Getting up in my face and demanding me to do things and not even having the facts straight is not going to do it. I've been at this too long and the stakes are too high for me to give in to Man because they are really sincere or nice or angry or love me or whatever. Unless it's GOD, then I cannot submit to it. And He is fully capable of using anyone, even a little kid or a sunset or whatever to teach and chasten. But I'm not going to listen to Man when it's their flesh talking (or the enemy).

So having said that, with a reluctant and sorrowful heart I must say that I see him as a false prophet and an antichrist, and therefore I must have no fellowship with him, or those who will agree with and follow his teachings which are an abomination of desolation, and come from a soulish and demonic foundation. I repent with weeping, sackcloth and ashes for my involvement, wiping my feet of his "place". I ask the LORD God Almighty to forgive me my weakness and reluctance in coming forward, and thank Him for giving me the strength NOW to speak out!

The Lord did NOT give you the strength to speak lies, exaggerate facts, gossip, and breed strife and dissension. That stuff is being powered by an entirely different source.

And why does everybody always have to just straight to "false prophet"?! Why can't someone just be "wrong prophet" or "confused prophet" or "misunderstood prophet"? Why do you insist on the Old Testament stoning rules when the New Testament model is CLEARLY that someone gets a word and submits it to two or three others for GENTLE evaluation before presenting it to the Body?! They DO NOT get stoned the instant they open their mouth - they're all learning and growing and what's the point of submitting it before going public with it, if you're just going to get stoned the second you say something that isn't quite pure?! Who is going to be willing to open their mouth at ALL if this is who the Body reacts to them?! Why the heck would anybody seek the gift of prophecy if they're just going to get DESTROYED the first time they hit a wrong note?! There is not nearly enough mercy here. Judge on what has been presented to the BODY, not what has been discussed behind the scenes and dismissed or modified or shelved.  Show MERCY.  And if you happen to be one of the two or three that were there when the original message was tossed around to be clarified, as people were still trying to figure out what God said, DON'T BREAK CONFIDENCE with that person and start accusing them of stuff that NEVER actually got presented to the Body and was just presented for evaluation and discussion privately!!

The Lord God Almighty will show all of this for what it is in His time. His light will shine and those with His Spirit will listen and hear the Truth in what has been spoken. I pray that you will repent, that you will come back to Him and you will stop practicing those things which will only incur God's wrath. (Romans 1:28-32) Oh, and if it should happen that you're right in all this, then you owe ME the biggest apology of all for having propped me up for so long without standing firm. Yet you apologize to THEM for what you did, when it's possible you hurt ME the most. Just something to think about if you're sure you're right. (Which I'm sure you're not.)

About a month ago Andrew came down from Doug's building to this place telling me that he had a prophetic message for me from the LORD.  He was very distraught!  VERY!  I told him I would hear this message in front of all the other brethren in the house, but he refused begging me to hear it in private.  I relented and privately listened to what he had to tell me.  He said that He had this vision of the Twin Towers collapsing in flames.  He said that the planes that hit them were me.  He told me that HIS interpretation was that the twin towers was the church. He then went upstairs and there was a magazine beside one of the beds with the picture of the Twin towers collapsing.  He was horrified at the confirmation, becoming very disturbed.

It's clear that you were unable to receive his word, yet he is absolutely sure of what the Lord was showing him - and the fruit since then should make it clear that you and Gary have crashed and done great damage. His testimony on this is now on YouTube for all to evaluate.

I could not see his interpretation at the time, and it did not speak to me........not until about a week ago and the LORD showed me.  He spoke to me about the Twin buildings.......they are Doug and Chris.  Everything they do and say is a replication of the other.  They are truly 'spiritual twins', even  having built their own language and all!  I froze.  The LORD made it clear that I ABSOLUTELY HAD to get this email to all who I can who have had association with FOTM and these two men, warning them of apostacy and to run from this false teaching and witchcraft.  These are the words of a sister who has also spoken out about FOTM...."The Twin Towers represent the fall of Babylon, the false church, it is them 2. It's the tower of Babel they built on satan's help.  God is bringing His fist down on them."

We will see in time whose interpretation was correct. If God is bringing His fist down on me because I have built a tower of Babel with satan's help then I pray He do it swiftly and viciously and take me out before I cause any more harm. If you're wrong, then He may already be pouring judgement out on you, hardening your heart and making it more and more difficult for you to see clearly and repent for ANYTHING that you do.

There is so much more, but suffice it to say that you have been warned. Beware! The LORD has set watchmen.  We all have choices.  The right, and the wrong.  Life and death.  The LORD loves you SO much HE would have you choose life!.......and His wish, His will is mine. I pray that it is yours.

I KNOW MY GOD. HE says that a curse without a cause cannot alight! HE tells me that if HE is for me, who can stand against me!  (Prov. 26:2, Rom.8:31) In the secret place of Your presence You hide them from the plots of men; you keep them secretly in Your pavillion from the strife of tongues. (Psalm 31:20)

And having done all.......stand!

You're not standing. You're spewing. If you were resting, then you'd leave it to the Lord. A curse WITH cause will MOST CERTAINLY alight. If you are outside of the Strong Tower, you are without defense. The Lord is not amused by this. He will show all for what it is. I pray for His justice and for His Truth to be seen by all. And again, I pray as I have always prayed that any fault in me will be revealed and that the Lord will remove me by whatever means necessary if I am unable or unwilling to do His will.

I have no idea what will happen to me as a result of this email......I just know that this has had to be said, and I will lay down my life, if necessary,  for my brethren to see the truth, know the truth, and to walk in it.

If you are so committed to Truth that you will lay down your life for it, then you need to do all that you can do to reach those that heard LIES spoken from your mouth and repent to them for ANYTHING that you did that made this all worse. I don't see how ANYONE can read this email that you have written, test the spirits, examine the facts and find you blameless. Whatever the charges against me, YOU are the one asserting that you are hearing God's voice and obeying and freeing those in darkness, so you better be BLAMELESS in this rebuke - or the Lord will hold you responsible for all the little ones hurt by this. No liar has a place in heaven. And if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven. I pray that you will listen. I pray that the Body will urge you to listen.

Your sister in Christ, with the agape love of God.  Thank you for taking the time to listen.  May the LORD truly bless and keep you by His grace, mercy and LOVE.

Clare

I know Jesus and I know His agape love and, I gotta tell you Clare, this ain't it. Not by a long shot. I have seen you riddled with fear, worries about money, control, manipulation, anger, bitterness, unforgiveness, gossip, slander and more. Your lack of faith in God and reliance on flesh has been palpable to everyone around here. Your idolatry of Gary and complete unwillingness or inability to see how the enemy is using him - even making excuses for him to justify behavior that is CRIMINAL, not to mention unChristian, is so scary to me.

Doug

Rev 21:7-8 (KJV) - 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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This is Clare's "Further to Warning" email that went out on on May 26, 2008 and my responses to it. Again, my comments are in bold for clarity.

Doug

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Hi everyone,

I have had to change my email address. I no longer have an address book so I hope I have you all!

OK!....here's what has happened.  Yesterday afternoon about 2pm I had a phone call to tell me that 'someone' had hacked into my gmail account, and I really better get home fast and change my password.  I got home, changed the password, and saw that some strange thing had happened......my "WARNING" had vanished!  I looked in the Inbox and Sent, and it simply had GONE!  I found it in the Trash!  I would have had to make a determined action to put it there! Hmmmmmmmm!  Weird!.............until I found a couple of hours later I wasn't even able to access the account at all.  My password would not work.  About 2 hours later, a window came up telling me that to access my gmail account I would have to use the password at Fellowshipof theMartyrs.  So you see my gmail email account has now also been hyjacked by you-know-who.  So if you get some strange emails from "me" from my gmail account, please ignore them - they are from Doug Perry or Chris Evans, or Rusty.  Is this Jesus?....I REALLYL think not!  Please understand that this person also hacked into another sister's email account and sent out an email to her boss belittling him and "resigning" her position. It was discovered late yesterday afternoon. This IS the front line and the enemy is dirty........

OK, again, as with the last email, this never came to me directly, nor did Clare contact me at any time for clarification or to check her facts. I have absolutely NO idea why the phone call was initiated in the first place, but I believe she was spooked by the story about the sister whose boss got an email and was panicked into changing her password. I have no idea who that sister was or the details of any of it and had nothing to do with any of it and have yet to see ANY evidence offered by ANYBODY that I did. I have absolutely NO idea about the supposedly deleted email. I will attest to anyone anywhere that neither I, nor Chris, nor Rusty (nor anyone else that I know of) had ANYTHING to do with any of this. The ONLY shred of ANYTHING that Clare is using to point to us for having been involved is because of that message that popped up on her Gmail when she changed the password. Now, I wasn't there and I didn't see it, but I know that her Gmail account had set her FOTM account as the backup email in case of a problem. SO ... if you forget your password and need it sent to you (or maybe if you reset it for security reasons), it will send your password to your backup email address. After all, why send it to your main Gmail address if that's the one you can't get into because you forgot the password?! So the message that she got was simply informing her to log in to her BACKUP email account to get her new password. That's all it was. But these allegations offered as proof from someone "who would have no reason to lie" are in actuality a criminal charge that she is leveling against me with absolutely NO proof. This is serious business. I hope that everyone can see the paranoia that is taking over here. God DID NOT give us a spirit of fear.

In this case, I had long before reset the password to her FOTM account when she disavowed wanting any connection with it - the Lord was very clear not to delete the account and He was EQUALLY clear that I was not to open it. I have NEVER AT ANY POINT read her emails that might be in her FOTM box or even opened the box. That is our box on our server and doesn't require the slightest bit of "hacking" for me to get into - and yet I have never opened it AT ALL. This boogey man, super psychologist, master of intrigue, computer hacker figure that she sees around every corner is entirely a construct of the filters and lenses and the voices that she is hearing. Again, I will stand toe to toe with anyone and give whatever assurance that is required to make it very clear that NONE of us had anything to do with ANY of this. Not Clare's box and not the other sister's email to her boss. There is absolutely NO evidence against us in ANY way except this insinuation based on misunderstood information that is entirely blown out of proportion. Yet people are believing it as fact. Test the spirits and see who you are listening to! Did you ask Jesus or are you just believing Clare - "because she would have no reason to lie". I'm asserting that she has a whole host of reasons to lie - including delusion and bitterness.

SO, if you need to email me, please use this address!  NOT GMAIL - or it will go to Doug!  I am dealing with the gmail thingi now, but will be able to do little before tomorrow as it is a public holiday today. I have lost ALL my Contacts lists, except for those that I have copied from FOTM and have in my personal book of contacts. So IF you have emailed me in the last few days, I am unable to reply, so please copy the email and forward it to this address. Thank you.

I have never seen any of Clare's emails (nor has anyone else here), never accessed her account or made any attempt to. She has not lost ANY of her contacts or any of her emails that went to her Gmail account. As far as I know it should still be there and still accepting mail. The only thing that happened was that her new password confirmation email was sent to her FOTM address - which is also still accepting mail. Had she called me, asked me to access it and forward it to her, I would have gladly done so (and would still do so now). She could have then set up a back up email address with Yahoo or whatever and change the password again. But I WOULD NOT and HAVE NOT accessed the Clare@fotm email account without her knowing about it. I continue to hope for reconciliation and that she will admit the crazy extremes that she has gone to unnecessarily and repent for making all kinds of unfounded accusations like this.

"In the secret place of Your presence you shall hide them from gthe plots of men; You keep them secretly in Your pavillion from the strife of tongues." (Psalm 31:20)  Our God is a GOOD God..... "If God is for us, who can be against us?" (Romans 8:31)  NO weapon formed against me shall prosper, and EVERY tongue that rises against me I SHALL CONDEMN.  This IS the heritage of this servant of the LORD, and my righteousness is from HIM! (See Isaiah 54:17)

God bless you all, and may He make all your paths straight.  In Jesus name.

Clare

Clare, you only get to condemn tongues raised against you when you are serving in THE LORD. When you're doing your own thing and off the reservation, you're pretty much helpless and naked. Besides, maybe you should BLESS your enemies and pray for them and love them? But if you insist on condemning me - as you have - then I guess we'll just see what sticks. We're back to the same place we've been over and over again - you build your altar and I'll build mine and we'll see which catches fire first. I guess there may not be any other options.

Speak the Truth, Clare. In the Name of Jesus.

I love you and I'm not giving up on you. All I've ever wanted was for you to be fully shiny.

Doug

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This is Clare's response to Doug's concerns about her emails:

From: Clare K
Date: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:00 PM
To:  Doug Perry
Subject: Re: Response to Clare's emails

Doug,

I will NOT be responding to your 'accusations' against me.  Suffice it to say that you and Andrew and Rusty are the only ones who believe in your stuff any more.  My email was NOT the first, but one of a line of many people who came out from under your "influence" and said enough is enough.  You can try as you might, I have had the last verbal barrage from you that I will respond to. ENOUGH is ENOUGH....and God is my defender.  Your ACTIONS, your WORDS - your FRUIT are what YOU are seen by - not your verbal declaration of Jesus having come in the flesh, but the Jesus that WE see IN and coming OUT of you!

I have NOT given out ANY information regarding your court files - I don't have them. If you have nothing to be ashamed of, then what are you concerned about. KNOW that there are those who have evidence that you have NOT lived the life of truth and honesty that you claim to have, in the name of Jesus. Be very careful not to add to what is already being looked into.

I never believed you that you wanted me to be shiny.......you wanted me crushed. No, you NEVER loved me.  You have no understanding of love. You did just what we talked about that night at your house, way back.....you used me, sucked me dry like you have so many others, and tossed me out like an empty drink bottle.  As for  Andrew's 'testimony', he is so screwed up now that he is very close to suicidal....I am only one of many who have observed his behavior as bizzare and unpredictable.  He has also said that he trusts NO-ONE up at your place......so think about that. Right now there is order, peace, joy and harmony in this place, and a real sense of purpose. Jesus is VERY real here.  There is LIGHT now - not darkness.  Thank You Jesus!

You and Chris and your other 'followers' can just pack up and leave any time you want.  You are exposed. You are no longer my brother.  You are deceived - a false prophet and an anti-christ!

Clare