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"Collected wisdom from the journey."
from Doug Perry - www.FellowshipOfTheMartyrs.com - May, 2007

Chapter Six – Dials
(excerpted from “Rain Down NOW, Lord!” - with additions) (Printable PDF file)

We don't have enough Fear of the Lord or we would have a better sense of how intensely complicated this is!  We always seek to simplify and compartmentalize God so that we can get our head around Him.

The idea of the Dials has application across a whole bunch of spectrums, but let's just talk about it first in terms of Gifts of the Spirit for illustration.  OK?  (Like you have a choice.)

People seem to think the Gifts of the Spirit are on/off switches that you either have or you don't. People actually preach that you may only have one or two gifts, but nobody has ALL of them. And whatever the Holy Spirit gives you, that's what you get and you should be content with it. But I think that's just not at all scriptural on a whole number of levels.

First, they're clearly NOT on/off switches, they're Dials. There's no other way to explain how someone could have an anointing to heal a headache, but another can regrow a limb or raise the dead. Some have a prophecy gift  that just comes as a “deja vu” sort of vague sense of familiarity when something happens and some others see hyper-accurate dreams and visions of the future all the time. Some have just barely enough Gift of Faith to endure a couple weeks without a paycheck and some can endure shipwrecks and torture and jail and total dependence on God for everything. It has to be a spectrum, not a fixed quantity. I Corinthians 11:11 says that the “Holy Spirit gives them to each one, just as He determines.” That may mean that He gives the Gift itself to those He determines, but it also surely means that He gives it in the quantity that He determines. Sometimes a person gets “dialed up” just long enough for a crisis situation or an immediate need for healing or evangelism or whatever and then may never see that gift again like that. The Holy Spirit's management of each of our Gift's Inventory is a lot more fluid and complicated than we give Him credit for. (I hope that the result of this chapter, too, is more Fear of the Lord.)

Second, Paul specifically instructs us to desire spiritual gifts, especially the big ones that have the biggest impact. He says:

    1 Corinthians 12:31 - But covet earnestly the best (kreitton) gifts (charisma):

Remember, Paul is talking to people (the Church in Corinth) that already have SOME spiritual gifts. He encourages them at least twice in this letter to seek more and bigger weapons, especially prophecy.

    Best – kreitton {krite'-tohn} – (Strong's 2909)1) more useful, more serviceable, more advantageous 2) more excellent

Translated as “better” 11 times and only once as “best”. Better implies degrees of usefulness. A plurality of possible usefulnesses from among which you should seek the highest possible choice in any given situation.

    Gifts – charisma {khar'-is-mah} – (Strong's 5486)1) a favour with which one receives without any merit of his own 2) the gift of divine grace 3) the gift of faith, knowledge, holiness, virtue 4) the economy of divine grace, by which the pardon of sin and eternal salvation is appointed
           to sinners in consideration of the merits of Christ laid hold of by faith 5) grace or gifts denoting extraordinary powers, distinguishing certain Christians and enabling
        them to serve the church of Christ, the reception of which is due to the power of divine grace operating on their souls by the Holy Spirit

If the Father is willing to give us gifts, then we should seek them and be good stewards of them. Jesus doesn't say to wait for the Lord to do everything and never ask. Jesus is clear that we should petition the Father in the name of Jesus for ANYTHING. He tells two different parables about pestering someone until they give in!  (Luke 11:5-10 & Luke 18:1-8)

    Luke 11:5-10 – Then he said to them, “Suppose one of you has a friend, and he goes to him at midnight and says, 'Friend, lend me three loaves of bread, because a friend of mine on a journey has come to me, and I have nothing to set before him.' Then the one inside answers, 'Don't bother me. The door is already locked, and my children are with me in bed. I can't get up and give you anything.'  I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness he will get up and give him as much as he needs. So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone that asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.”

Can it be any more clear that if you don't have, it's because you don't ask? If you have a sincere heart and you just want more of the Holy Spirit, He's not going to give you a demon! He can't. He's a good Dad. You CANNOT get a demon in you by asking God for Spiritual Gifts with a pure heart. If you ask for bread, He's not going to give you a stone. But if you go down the aisle and ask for whatever THAT guy has, there's no telling what you might get!

OK, back to the point here. There are LOTS of different kinds of gifts, a lot more than people realize, and nearly endless variants and interactivities between them. It's not nearly as cut and dried as people think. I hope that when you get a little glimpse of it this way, you will marvel even more at God's love for you and the complexity of all that the Holy Spirit does inside of you every day, just to manage all this stuff!

    2 Peter 1:3 – According as his divine power (dunamis)  hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.

    Hebrews 2:4 – God also bearing [them] witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers (poikilos)  miracles (dunamis), and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Poikilos is translated here “divers” but defined by Strong's (4164) as:

1) a various colours, variegated 2) of various sorts

It is translated eight times as “divers” and twice as “manifold”.

    1 Corinthians 12:4 – Now there are diversities (diairesis) of gifts (charisma), but the same Spirit.

    1 Corinthians 7:7 – For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift (charisma) of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

    1 Corin. 1:7 – So that ye come behind in no gift (charisma); waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

So He has given us all things pertaining unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that called us to glory and virtue. Did you know you were called to glory and virtue? Isn't that cool?!  Great, so how do we do it? By the dunamis of God. There's no other way.

The Hebrews 2:4 verse also indicates that the miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost are poikilos – that is, if you seek and find, what you'll probably get is variegated, diverse dunamis – lots of flavors, colors, frequencies, wavelengths!  Wow!  Not only is the Holy Spirit living inside you, He has to keep track of all this stuff on the fly for your benefit and for the Father's glory.

How complicated could it be?
There are only a few Gifts of the Spirit, right? 

Yeah, you'd think it would be easy wouldn't you? I've seen Spiritual Gift Inventory tests with 20 to 100 questions that help you narrow in on what you're good at. We have those so that we can identify tendencies or behaviors that are ALREADY in place, but not potentialities and future giftings or callings. Basically, we don't really have anointed apostles and prophets and people operating in discernment of spirits in any big enough quantity to just SEE who has what gifts and we (as a whole) don't hear God well enough to just ask Him ourselves. So we have to have psychological and behavioral inventories. It's really very sad.

OK, here is the generally agreed upon list:

The Gifts and Callings of the Holy Spirit

I Corinthians 12:4-14

I Corinthians 12:27-30

Romans 12:6-8

Ephesians 4:11

Word of WisdomWord of KnowledgeFaithHealingsWorking of MiraclesProphecyDiscernment of spiritsSpeaking in TonguesInterpretation of Tongues

Apostles
Prophets
Teachers
Miracles
Healings
Helps
Administrations
Variety of Tongues

Prophecy
Ministry
Teaching
Exhortation
Giving
Leading
Showing Mercy

ApostlesProphetsEvangelistsPastors and Teachers*

 

Note: * Some “authorities” distinguish between Pastors and Teachers in the list contained in Ephesians. That's how they get a “Five-fold” instead of a “Four-fold” ministry. Personally, I don't care to argue about it.

There are some others that are a little less clearly stated and some folks disagree with them being added to the list above. They include; hospitality, celibacy, voluntary poverty and exorcism/deliverance (although that is generally classified within the healing gift).

Gifts of the Spirit are not the same as the “fruit of the spirit” (Galatians 5:22). Since the “sign gifts” or manifestation gifts can sometimes be faked or come from evil sources (Matt. 24:24, 7:22-23), the true and better test is of the specific fruit listed here.

    Fruit of the Spirit (Galatians. 5:22-23)
    Love, Joy, Peace, Long-suffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, Temperance.

Please note the things that CANNOT be used to determine spiritual fruit. There are some obvious things missing from this list. Things like; size of ministry, eloquence of speech, new book deal, longevity in office, number of advanced degrees, physical attractiveness or magnetism, material wealth, number of people that agree with them, quantity or size of their miracles, likeability by the “world”, etc.  If you have been judging someone based on anything OTHER than the Biblical Fruit, you might want to say you're sorry and rethink to whom you've been listening.  Jesus said that the more you were like Him, the more you would be hated and persecuted, so someone with lots of the TRUE Fruit is most likely going to be surrounded by a big cloud of controversy and lies. Don't let that automatically scare you off.

Basically, you can't dial up the Fruit of the Spirit. You can impart them to someone – you can share your Peace or Joy or Self-Control, but they have to walk it out before it becomes Fruit.  You can pour it (sow it) into them all you want, but it's dead seed until it sprouts and produces a harvest – THEN it's Fruit.  Basically, the bigger their “cup” gets, the more they are filled with Jesus, the more these Fruits will manifest because it is Christ in them that lives and there's not very much of their own selfish, sinful nature to get in the way anymore. 

Some of these overlap substantially. You CAN dial up Peace, Joy, Patience because they are things you're “full of” in addition to being Fruits.  Also, you can be full of Mercy and that would drive a bunch of the Fruits (Kindness, Generosity, Patience, Gentleness, Faithfulness).  Wisdom would drive others (Patience, Modesty, Self-Control, Chastity, Generosity, etc.)  Basically, you can take any one of these and replace it with “Jesus” and it retains the same meaning. So more Jesus means more Fruits and more Gifts. Some say there is just ONE Fruit divided in 9 parts. Same difference, the more you look like Jesus, the more this stuff all shows up. But it's important for you to get a sense of how intensely complicated this is. My goal is for you to get so mentally exhausted that you'll stop trying to control or manipulate what God wants and just lay it all at His feet and pour out whatever He tells you, when He tells you.  If you try to fiddle with the dials yourself, you'll just make a mess.

Maybe some pictures will help.  Imagine that each of these circles is a Spiritual Gift “dial”. They interlock and mesh together and overlap in ways we can't even possibly understand. My goal in this book is not to explain exactly how it all works, I don't think any human can. My goal is to motivate people to lovingly share with each as they have a need and to teach AWE and the bigness and complexity of what God is doing in ALL of us.

Can you see that even through the course of a single day, we all are tested and tried and we either pass or fail? We may also meet with people that pray for us, and the Holy Spirit intercedes for us directly with the Father, and maybe we spend time in the Word and receive some spiritual blessing.  Throughout the day, this graphic is in constant motion. Like raindrops in a puddle, constantly flowing and rippling and expanding and contracting. Do you really think you can design a Spiritual Gifts inventory that will be accurate a week from now? Only if it is so basic as to be practically useless!  (Or you are completely stagnant.)

Do they really overlap like that? Well, I've read about people with a massive gift of healing – people like Smith Wigglesworth, William Branham, James Dunn, Kathryn Kuhlman, Maria Woodworth-Etter, John G. Lake, A. A. Allen and others. (Go look them up online.) They all have their Faith dial up really high – that seems to control most everything. But the ones that seem to keep their head on straight and not start thinking they're Elijah usually also have their Wisdom and Discernment of Spirits dial up really high as well. You can see where someone goes terribly, horribly wrong in the “charismania” side of the Body and they nearly always have a serious shortage of Wisdom (Fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of Wisdom) and an excess of some manifestation gift. Maybe their Prophecy dial is up really high, but they don't know when to keep their mouth shut and not cast pearls before swine. Maybe their Healing dial is up really high but they started making it about THEM instead of giving God the glory. On the other side of the Body we have folks who also don't have enough Fear of the Lord because they think their doctrines are able to perfectly explain God and so they put Him in a box.

Romans 11:29 says that “God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.”  That means the Gifts are permanent. He'll pour Himself into you, but if you let some of it leak out, you're going to not be balanced as you should be. You'll probably guard carefully the Gift that makes you someone famous, but you'll let leak out the sub-components that made it work within His purposes and bring Him all the glory – like the wisdom and the discernment and the self-control and the modesty and the humility. You'll keep the flashy stuff and let go of the harder ones that require more maintenance. You can't keep humility and fear of the Lord and self-control if you're not on your knees all the time, keeping your cup full of Jesus daily/hourly. But you might keep the dreams and visions or healing – but now it's going to be used against you by the enemy because you stopped maintenancing the self-control and patience and humility and Fear of the Lord necessary to keep from making it about YOU.

Some big evangelists that end up in scandal or prison or excess had great big cups and they were all the way full, then they stopped praying and keeping them full and the enemy got in and started messing with them. If you have a cup the size of an oil tanker, just the daily evaporation rate could be tens of thousands of gallons!  That much volume filled with sin would shatter the normal person instantly.  You better keep your cup full ALL the time!  Proverbs 25:26 – “Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked.” (A well is a really big 'cup'.)

Said again (for emphasis), if you have a candle and you go stand out in the backyard on a summer night, a couple of bugs will come see what's going on. But if God has dialed you up really bright and you're like the halogen arrays on top of a professional football stadium, every bug for MILES is going to come try to smother you!  The badness will SWARM on the great big cups and try to crush them any way possible. If you have no openings, they will go for any soft target around you – like your spouse and kids and ministry partners. 

There are people all over the world right now raising the dead and seeing people regrow limbs in front of their eyes and healed of all kinds of terminal illnesses. More of that is coming as soon as the Body starts fully walking in our inheritance and sharing with each other from the abundance of what we've been given. Do you want to see God pour out His Spirit on all men? Go find a man and dump out on him all of the Spirit of God that is in you! 

You have an endless spring of living water flowing from inside of you, so go point it at somebody and open the faucet all the way!  If you have a cup like a shot glass, they may not notice that anything happened. But if you have a cup like an oil tanker and you point a big, fat fire hose at them and crank it on real fast, it will probably knock them down. But PLEASE don't go trying to knock them down for fun, that's just showing off.  (And don't put your hand on them and PUSH them down either, that's just witchcraft and manipulation of the worst sort. Please tell God you're sorry for trying to force your will on people and look “cool” – and pray for more Fear of the Lord while you're at it.)

Are you getting this yet? Let's try another picture.

Know what that is? If you go to church in America, you probably do. Just in case you don't, it's a mixing board for a sound system. All the different dials and buttons and slides control the microphones and sound effects and lighting and all the different things that might be plugged into it. If you don't know what you're doing, you just should NOT be allowed to play with something like this!  This is a very valuable piece of equipment and should not be toyed around with!  This particular board is a professional model used in recording studios and costs many thousands of dollars. Like my cell phone, it has a great long list of cool features, most of which I may never figure out how to use. But they're there just in case, just a couple of buttons away.

Every person that you know has a “mixing board” far bigger, far more complicated and far more valuable than this one. ONLY the Holy Spirit can manage it. Only God knows what it's true potential and maximum possible range might be. We are like the little kid that peeks into the control room of a nuclear power plant and is awed by the walls of dials and gauges and switches. But you want to be sure not to let a little kid mess with anything in the control center of a nuclear power plant!  See the picture. Would YOU want to be in charge of that? If I'm right about this, shouldn't we be putting a WHOLE lot more value on the individuals under our care? Shouldn't we be more careful with their potential?

The variables in play in even a single life are staggeringly massive. Since God sees the end from the beginning, He also knows all at once what came before and what is and what is coming. He knows how many souls that kid in your youth group COULD bring into the kingdom, but some or all of them will depend on YOU being obedient and speaking the right word at the right time to that kid. You can't possibly understand the value God places on that kid and the critical importance that you not try to do God's job for Him! You're just going to blow something up.

How can we keep from having more blood on our heads? We are already swimming in guilt and responsibility for all the missed opportunities, disobedience, refusal to share with and care for and love on brethren in need. Not to mention the darkness in the world that's because we didn't take our light out there in sufficient measure. We can't possibly even imagine how many are already going to hell because of the times we didn't do all that we could have. Is that legalism? No, Jesus wants obedience. Why? Because He's the ONLY ONE that can direct our paths so that we don't make things worse and worse all the time. He doesn't want to boss us around and make us miserable! He wants to gently walk us out of the giant bonfire we're standing in the middle of – that we started ourselves! He's the only one that knows the safest possible route out of the fire. It might take a little longer, it might twist and turn and look like we're losing ground, but He knows it's not quite as hot as the direct route that looked good to us but would have killed us instantly.

You see, if a person comes to you and asks for advice about whether to take Job A or Job B and you use all your reason and experience and knowledge and weigh the pro's and con's and help them to decide to take Job B – but that's not what God wanted for them and it wrecks their life – well, that's on your head. It's their fault for listening to you, but it's your fault (especially if you're in a leadership role) for not making sure they were following God and not Man. It could be that you should have just prayed and sought God together and He would have said to turn down both jobs and wait a week because BOTH are decoys from the enemy and Job C is coming and that's the really BIG payoff that was His Perfect Will all along for that person. (Unless you don't think God talks to people, in which case all you've got left is to lean on your own understanding. How's that working for you?) 

How many earth-shaking evangelists never launched because we didn't raise them up? How many prophets and apostles and teachers are lost because we had pizza parties and ski trips instead of preaching the power of the Cross? How many people have we filled with the wisdom of man and the ways of the world instead of filling them with Jesus and Faith and Godly Wisdom and Fear of the Lord? 

    Colossians 2:8 – See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

Paul boasted that the blood of no man was on his head.  Wow!! How did he do that?! He wrote letters, he traveled all over – he preached until people fell out of windows and died! (But Paul raised him from the dead. Acts 20:7-12)  How did he never steer anyone wrong? How did he never make it about him?

Because he always just pointed them toward Jesus. He didn't draw men unto himself, he got behind them and shoved them toward Jesus. He taught relationship and hearing God's voice and obedience to the Spirit in you. He didn't teach obedience to legalism or to systems and structures of man. He didn't seek obedience to Paul, he sought that they obey God alone. He didn't have them grow up into Paul is their head, he urged them to grow up into CHRIST.  He didn't get them under his “cover” - he told them to run into the Strong Tower.

I don't want you to even remember me. I just want you to get cleaned out, get a big cup of Jesus, get more Fear of the Lord, hear Him really well and then HE will direct your paths. If you let ME direct your paths, you're toast. Don't do it!!  Take everything here to the Lord and have Him explain it to you and confirm it to you and write it on your heart. Don't take my word for anything.

Ok, sorry. Little detour.

None of the Spiritual Gifts assessments that I have seen take into account all the possible variables. Also, I've never seen one that assumes that everybody has ALL of the Gifts. I'm just sure that if you have ANY Jesus in you, then ALL the Gifts are present. That is, when you get Jesus, all the dials move off of ZERO. Some may never move any higher,  but it's there if you need it. That is, I know people that get saved and start hearing God better right away. At first it starts as conviction of sin, but also some zeal and a desire to evangelize. They have more urge to pray and intercede and pray for people that are sick and lost. Some of those prayers get answered. To the degree that they have faith, God continues to pour more into them and dial them up as they are obedient and continue to walk it out and be good stewards of what they have been given. Some people have a big anointing right away for evangelism or prophecy or something, some sneak up on it over time. God can do whatever He wants with your dials. If you don't have, it's because you don't ask – or you got it and didn't use it and it got rusty.

How else can you explain someone that has exceptional wisdom, but only in a given situation. Or someone that can pray healing or miraculous provision down, but only in an emergency. Or people that can heal anything and raise the dead, but only on the mission field? There are times when we “spike” because we're available and willing or we're in the right place at the right time. And times when it dials down dramatically because we're not on our own “land” – we're trying to operate outside of the sphere of authority God has assigned to us.

If you don't have a gift, it's because you don't ask. How many times in charismatic congregations does someone come down the aisle seeking the Baptism in the Holy Spirit just so they can speak in tongues?  But that's at the BOTTOM of the list of gifts! Paul says to seek the ones at the TOP.  I say, seek them ALL!  What if you went down the aisle expecting to get them all, begging God to get them all, offering to lay down anything that was in the way so that you could have them all and use them effectively for the Kingdom? Do you think you might get a head start on the person that came down seeking tongues because they just wanted to fit in with everybody else in the youth group? 

If you don't have, it's because you don't ask.  This is a war between good and evil and we're getting creamed. Why? Because people aren't asking for the really dangerous stuff. The things that really push back the darkness. Particularly wisdom, prophecy, discernment of spirits and interpretation of tongues. In all of my travels around dozens and dozens of congregations (sometimes visiting four or five on one Sunday), I have only RARELY met anyone that has interpretation of tongues and even more rarely people that can see demons.  Sadly also, few people that clearly hear the voice of God – and that's not even a Gift of the Spirit! That's just an automatic for ALL believers!  What kind of a war are we fighting here?! Where are the people bristling with weapons and wisdom and love and authority? Why are our congregations full of spiritual pygmies that are blind and deaf and weak – but are sure they're fine? Maybe the enemy is a lot sneakier than we thought. Maybe we don't have to worry about some future “falling away” – I think we're fully fallen already. Read Ezekiel 9. I think our temples are already full of dead bodies. Because we're not weeping and mourning about the sad state of our cities, our nation, our own hearts, our congregations, the Bride.  Everybody that's not crying is going to be, or already is, a dead body piled in the temple.  (Oops. I started preaching again. Sorry.)

At any moment, God can dial you all the way up and you can do anything that any other brother or sister has ever done. You're just one instant (and a dead body) away from seeing someone raised from the dead.  The Jesus in you can do anything, all you have to do is get out of the way and let Him do it through you. You need to get all cleaned out, get your Faith dial turned up really high and know that it's your birthright. Hope to see His glory fill you, do it for the sake of Love and then you'll see the dead raised.

The Master Dials that drive them all are Faith, Hope and Love. But the greatest is Love.  All the other dials are limited by how high the master Love dial is turned up.  Everything else is just feedback and nasty, useless noise if the Love dial isn't turned up.  Want more prophecy? Want more wisdom? Want more effectiveness for the kingdom? Want to be more dangerous to the enemy of our souls? Get more Love.  And not fluffy, man-made love. Godly love includes turning over the tables and speaking truth.  God can wield a bull-whip and still do it in Love.  His ways are NOT our ways!!  Learn it. Seek it.

 

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