What's wrong with David Eells and UBM - Unleavened Bread Ministries PDF Print E-mail

 

David Eells is the founder and leader of Unleavened Bread Ministries and America's Last Days (and other sites).  I first heard of David in 2006.  At some point in late 2006, David and I emailed and he had been refered to my book "The Red Dragon: the horrifying truth about why the "church" CANNOT seem to change."  He invited me to be on his internet radio show to speak about it for a few minutes - which I did in November of 2006 (as I recall). He invited me to their ministry in Pensacola, should I ever get down that way. I was at the beginning of a five and a half month trip around the country. Later around December I was at a home group in Forth Worth of some folks that followed his ministry. Very soon after that, I headed South, through Houston, then East to Bay St. Louis and on over to Pensacola and stayed with Bob Aicardi, one of David's elders (who is now deceased).  I was there three days and saw some of the guts of David and this ministry.

I am NOT someone that is angry or hurt or disgruntled. I was lied about and slandered by David, but I never fought back, haven't mentioned his name publicly for four years since he renounced me publicly. That is not someone nursing a grudge, that is someone that has moved on and left it to the Lord. Since then I have had several people coming to me and telling me about their negative experiences with UBM and feeling mistreated. That is not unusual as I am sort of a "network hub" for people hurt by other ministries. I always urge forgiveness and reconciliation - or at least moving on and leaving it to the Lord. We have had many people leave here as well, saying all kinds of things and feeling they were hurt, whether real or imagined. And I know enough to just let them go and leave it to the Lord.

But something shifted this week. The Lord says it's time to tell my story and pray for  David's repentance. I hope that it is a sign that he is near a place to actually open his eyes and see the harm he's done and how far off track he is. I sincerely pray that is the case. My hope and prayer is for reconciliation. I know that God had a tremendous call on David's life - and that the Lord would still like to redeem it. I believe we're going to see lots of ministers and ministries that have been wildly off-track begin to repent and be returned to usefulness. It may require walking away from everything or being publicly humiliated, but anything is better than grieving God for one more minute!

I'll be posting a video in the next day or so, but here is the text of the email that I sent David on the morning of January 3, 2011 and his responses. I'll continue to post any correspondence to or from him on this page. I don't expect this is anywhere near over. And I want everyone on notice that WHATEVER is said, it's going to be shown publicly.

And can I just say how much I REALLY, REALLY don't want to do this.  First of all, people under a red dragon delusion are just IMPOSSIBLE to talk to - but more than that, it's the ENDLESS WORDS, the dancing back and forth and not getting anywhere that just makes me want to pull my hair out!  It's like just blather that is supposed to prove it's point by the sheer volume of letters and exclamation marks. Nonetheless, the Lord commanded, so I obey, even though I already have enough on my plate without this.

If you are one hurt or threatened by UBM, send me the link to your story and we'll pray about providing a place here where people can find all the statements in one place. This needs to stop. Below you will see clearly the lack of love, the double-standards, the sense of entitlement that UBM is spreading. There response to any questions or concerns is to attack back and demean the witness or use a scriptural misunderstanding to deny the testimony. Their application of Matthew 18 is seriously flawed - we'll talk about that later when there is time.

 

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Doug's FIRST letter to David Eells

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Subject:     Time to repent, David
Date:     Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:01:43 -0500

Dear David,
It's been nearly four years since I was first mistreated and maligned by you. I've been silent about what I saw there at your ministry. I've had person after person coming to me in the last four years telling me horror stories about how you have treated them. They're not all lying.

I believe you are under a delusion and can't even acknowledge your sin or repent. I believe you're seeing demons on everyone that disagrees with you and your heart has been hardened. I don't expect you to hear me and repent, but maybe, just maybe, there is enough coming at you at this moment that you will hit your knees and beg God to show you all that you have done to grieve Him and hurt His people. Pray that prayer, David - I dare you. Maybe He'll have mercy on you and pour out repentance and you can get free.

You need to make a public and full confession of all you have done, all the people you have slandered, the spies you have hired, the background checks you have run, the followers you have kept in bondage, the ministries you have assaulted, any personal sin, and any funds misappropriated. More than that, for how you have grieved Jesus and done violence to His Bride. You need to confess, no matter what the cost, and then do works in keeping with repentance.

Because God is more merciful than we are and because He directed me to do so, I'm giving you 24 hours to respond back to me or I'm going to obey I Timothy 5:19-20 and rebuke publicly. I think there's a pretty good chance that you're going to try to assault me and say whatever you have to say to get people to turn against me. There are certainly plenty of people online that say wicked things about me and you will have plenty of ammunition - on top of whatever you can make up. I want to encourage you to do that. Be as mean, underhanded and vicious as possible and speak my name as much as you can. Every time people do that the traffic to my sites just goes up like crazy. People I've never heard from will pop out of the woodwork wanting to tell me their stories about how UBM hurt them - and I'm going to give them a platform to tell their story. There's nothing you can say about me that can put a dent in what God is doing here or hurt my feelings, so have at it. I've been at this a long time now and I'm not the least bit scared of you. Whatever spiritual authority you once had is long gone. If I'm with God, every word you utter against me is going to mean more judgement on your head - which is a blessing, because maybe you'll break just a little bit sooner and hit your knees.

So decide today if you will choose darkness or light. God is lifting the skirts of all the "leaders" that have been hurting HIS sheep. Yes, everyone that serves God will be lied about and slandered. But I don't think that is what's happening with you, David. I saw with my own eyes how little you hear from God and how callous you are with people who are bleeding right in front of you.

I pray God would bring you back to your first love. I really do. Because if He doesn't, your lampstand is about to be taken from you. Indeed, most of it is already gone.

May God judge between me and thee.

Doug Perry
servant of God
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David's FIRST response - Note that in the first part, his responses are interwoven in my orginal email. His are in bold for ease of understanding. 

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Subject:     Re: Time to repent, David
Date:     Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:38:04 -0500


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> Dear David, Doug
> It's been nearly four years since I was first mistreated and maligned by you.

There was 100% agreement in the room about you. And everyone tried to help you in love but you were defensive and refused.

> I've been silent about what I saw there at your ministry. I've had person
> after person coming to me in the last four years telling me horror
> stories about how you have treated them. They're not all lying.
>
> I believe you are under a delusion and can't even acknowledge your sin or
> repent.

Whatever you believe without witnesses of sin is illegal.

> I believe you're seeing demons on everyone that disagrees with you
> and your heart has been hardened. I don't expect you to hear me and repent,
> but maybe, just maybe, there is enough coming at you at this moment that
> you will hit your knees and beg God to show you all that you have done to
> grieve Him and hurt His people. Pray that prayer, David - I dare you. Maybe
> He'll have mercy on you and pour out repentance and you can get free.
>
> You need to make a public and full confession of all you have done, all the
> people you have slandered,

Doug, Show me the slander. I have slandered no one, I have two or three witnesses for anything I have said. the spies you have hired, This is totally crazy stuff. I don¹t know anything about any spies. If you are speaking of Tammy, she makes all this up. She has been doing it for years. We have her confessions of her many sins.

> the background checks

I have never made a background check or asked anyone for one. She has a paranoia spirit. 4 elder have ministered to her and they will tell you the same thing

> you have run, the followers you have kept in bondage

She believes she is Esther and head over the church and she says she will get her children out of UBM,

> the ministries you have assaulted

If you are going to obey God¹s word you need two or three WITNESSES (people who see with their eyes a sin) not one slanderers word., any personal sin, and any funds misappropriated. I don¹t have any funds and never have misappropriated any. Alll funds go to UBM not me. I havent ever drawn any money from UBM just as any elder will tell you. We give all funds away in books, DVD¹s, audios, housing, food, etc. I drive a 99 chevy Prism. I have no valuables, no toys, etc.

> More than that, for how you have grieved Jesus and done violence to His Bride. You
> need to confess, no matter what the cost, and then do works in keeping with
> repentance.
>
> Because God is more merciful than we are and because He directed me to do
> so, I'm giving you 24 hours to respond back to me or I'm going to obey I
> Timothy 5:19-20 and rebuke publicly. I think there's a pretty good chance
> that you're going to try to assault me and say whatever you have to say to
> get people to turn against me. There are certainly plenty of people online
> that say wicked things about me and you will have plenty of ammunition - on
> top of whatever you can make up. I want to encourage you to do that. Be as
> mean, underhanded and vicious as possible and speak my name as much as you
> can. Every time people do that the traffic to my sites just goes up like
> crazy. People I've never heard from will pop out of the woodwork wanting to
> tell me their stories about how UBM hurt them

They targeted you as they have everyone they could.

> - and I'm going to give them
> a platform to tell their story. There's nothing you can say about me that
> can put a dent in what God is doing here or hurt my feelings, so have at
> it. I've been at this a long time now and I'm not the least bit scared of
> you. Whatever spiritual authority you once had is long gone. If I'm with
> God, every word you utter against me is going to mean more judgement on
> your head - which is a blessing, because maybe you'll break just a little
> bit sooner and hit your knees.
>
> So decide today if you will choose darkness or light. God is lifting the
> skirts of all the "leaders" that have been hurting HIS sheep. Yes, everyone
> that serves God will be lied about and slandered. But I don't think that is
> what's happening with you, David. I saw with my own eyes how little you
> hear from God and how callous you are with people who are bleeding right in
> front of you.

There were a half dozen ministers in the room and they all saw demons in you.

> I pray God would bring you back to your first love. I really do. Because if
> He doesn't, your lampstand is about to be taken from you. Indeed, most of
> it is already gone.

You are listening to a bunch of slanderers and have no eye witnesses.

Read this below
David.
>
> May God judge between me and thee.
>
> Doug Perry
> servant of God
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(David's addition to the email below)
We are warned not to judge those who are weak in their doctrine or understanding.
{Rom.14:1} But him that is weak in faith receive ye, [yet] not for decision of scruples. {2} One
man hath faith to eat all things: but he that is weak eateth herbs. {3} Let not him that eateth
set at nought him that eateth not; and let not him that eateth not judge him that eateth: for
God hath received him. {4} Who art thou that judgest the servant of another?
to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for
the Lord hath power to make him stand. {5} One man esteemeth one day above
another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let each man be fully assured
in his own mind.  Those who do judge contrary to this command will always
live under judgment themselves and many times wonder why.  {Jas.2:13} For
judgment [is] without mercy to him that hath showed no mercy: mercy glorieth
against judgment.  Judgment is reserved for immorality in the New Testament
as in 1 Corinthians 5 and 6.

Those who do not have forgiveness or grace for others will not have it
themselves and will live under the curse and demonic oppression/possession,
for they are the wicked.  {Mat.6:12} And forgive us our debts, as we also
have forgiven our debtors. {13} And bring us not into temptation, but
deliver us from the evil [one.] {14} For if ye forgive men their trespasses,
your heavenly Father will also forgive you. {15} But if ye forgive not men
their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. ...
{18:32} Then his lord called him unto him, and saith to him, Thou wicked
servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou besoughtest me: {18:33}
shouldest not thou also have had mercy on thy fellow-servant, even as I had
mercy on thee? {18:34} And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the
tormentors [demons], till he should pay all that was due. {18:35} So shall
also my heavenly Father do unto you, if ye forgive not every one his brother
from your hearts.

People who do not understand these things are not mature and so are not
elders that are ordained of God and should not judge others. {2Co.10:6} and
being in readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience shall be
made full.  These are not teachers but will receive judgment.  {Jas.3:1} Be
not many [of you] teachers, my brethren, knowing that we shall receive
heavier judgment.

Judas was among the disciples of Jesus whom later was called the son of
perdition [destruction] by Jesus.  The other disciples did not know who he
was until he fell away to crucify Jesus.  Jesus knew who he was and that he
had a job to do in crucifying His flesh.  At the last supper, He even told
him to hurry up and get it over with.  Judas was full of rejection and
retaliation in his heart.  When Jesus corrected him, he became angry, which
is normal for those with spirits of rejection.  When he ate the SOP
[standing for Son of Perdition], Satan entered him.  In darkness, Judas was
led to enlist the heads of the Jezebel religious establishment to do his
dirty work for him.  They in turn tried to turn the public away from Jesus
so they could kill Him and so that His truths would not be known.

It is a clear fact that history repeats with larger and larger groups of
people.  There is among the disciples today Judases who, when convicted of
their errors, will retaliate to crucify Christ among us. Their motives and
methods to turn away people from those in whom Jesus lives and their truth
are unforgiveness, slander and twisting their words and actions so they can
crucify them. As we saw above, this kind of judgment is forbidden and brings
judgment on them, just as Judas hung himself with his own hands -- cut off
from the breath or Spirit of God.  This is perfectly prophesied in Scripture
to happen on a world scale in our day.  Read The Son of Perdition
<
http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=hm14 > .

God says in His Word that slanderers and revilers (or railers) will not be
saved without repentance but in these days many will not return from this
path just as when Jesus came the first time. 

The word "slanderer" in Greek is diablos, meaning, "accuser" or "devil" and
is, in fact, the Spanish translation of "devil."  According to Vines
Expository Dictionary, these are ³those who are given to finding fault with
the demeanor and conduct of others, and spreading their innuendos and
criticisms in the Church.² In a similar way, the word "reviler" or "railer"
in Greek is often blasphemeo, meaning "to blaspheme or speak against God or
the brethren or both."  Those who blaspheme are obviously of the same nature
and controlled by the devil and not God. Whenever you see a person or group
of people abusing some person like this remember these are demons speaking.
Demons slander and rail against the righteous. So suspect that their victim
is righteous. The only exception to this rule is when God turns their venom
on one another in judgment. You cannot associate with such people without a
little leaven leavening the whole lump so we are commanded to separate from
them in 1 Co.5.

Paul, by God, turned blasphemers, who have fallen away from the faith and
defiled their conscience, over to Satan.  {1Ti.1:19} holding faith and a
good conscience; which some having thrust from them made shipwreck
concerning the faith: {20} of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I
delivered unto Satan, that they might be taught not to blaspheme.  God still
does this,

Revilers or railers are placed with the worst of men and rejected by all
good men.  {1Co.6:9} Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit
the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, {10} nor
thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers [railers], nor
extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. These people find comfort
among their own kind as ³birds of a feather flock together.²

Accordingly, we are commanded to separate from those who call themselves
Christian if they are revilers and slanderers for, as Paul said, "a little
leaven leaveneth the whole lump." {1Co.5:11} but as it is, I wrote unto you
not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or
covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler [railer], or a drunkard, or an
extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat. {12} For what have I to do with
judging them that are without? Do not ye judge them that are within? {13}
But them that are without God judgeth. Put away the wicked man from among
yourselves.

Slanderers and railers and their accompanying lusts are refused entrance to
the kingdom of God. {Gal.5:19} Now the works of the flesh are manifest,
which are [these]: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, {20} idolatry,
sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties,
{21} envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn
you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall
not inherit the kingdom of God. ³Faction² here is the purpose of slander and
railing. It means to separate followers for selfish ambition. We are
commanded to separate from such after just two instances because it will
leaven you so quickly. {Titus 3:10} A factious man after a first and second
admonition refuse. ³Parties² here is very similar. It means a self willed
opinion leading into dividing into sects or denominations.

Slander and faction are always associated with lying spirits and other forms
of deceit. {Psa.50:19} Thou givest thy mouth to evil, And thy tongue frameth
deceit. {20} Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; Thou slanderest
thine own mother's son. {21} These things hast thou done, and I kept
silence; Thou thoughtest that I was altogether such a one as thyself: [But]
I will reprove thee, and set [them] in order before thine eyes. None of
these enter the Kingdom of God without repentance. {Rev.21:8} But for the
fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators,
and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part [shall be] in the
lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

We must endure the cross of death to fleshly lusts of unforgiveness,
bitterness, hatred, faction, strife, slander, railing, lying, criticism,
judging others, etc. and cast them off as the weights that hold us back from
winning this race. {Heb.12:1} Therefore let us also, seeing we are compassed
about with so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight, and the
sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race
that is set before us, {2} looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of
[our] faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,
despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The one who receives the prize is the true body of Christ in whom Christ
Himself lives. Those who live after these lusts cannot receive the prize,
for the race is to bear the fruit of Christ, 30-, 60- and 100-fold before
our time is up. {1Co.9:24} Know ye not that they that run in a race run all,
but one receiveth the prize? Even so run; that ye may attain. If there is no
cross, there is no crown. All who indulge their flesh in unforgiveness,
bitterness, hatred, faction, strife, criticism, judging others, will not
inherit the prize of Christ. {25} And every man that striveth in the games
exerciseth self-control in all things. Now they do it to receive a
corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

The flesh that desires these lusts must be crucified or the person will be
rejected, no matter how much they think they have done for God. {26} I
therefore so run, as not uncertainly; so fight I, as not beating the air: 27
but I buffet my body, and bring it into bondage: lest by any means, after
that I have preached to others, I myself should be rejected.  Again, if they
refuse to deny their flesh to obey God¹s Word, they will be destroyed.  Paul
said in Romans 8 that if we walk after the flesh, we must die.  We have
watched these people over the years lose their health, the respect of all
righteous people, their ministries and often their lives.

The Lord takes no pleasure in the strength of the beastly flesh or the walk
of man. {Psa.147:10} He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: He
taketh no pleasure in the legs of a man. God forbade Israel to use horses
from Egypt because of what they represented. Those full of slander,
railing/reviling, criticism, unforgiveness, delusion, paranoia, gossip,
Jezebel, are often judged because they refuse to forgive anyone and are
turned over to the tormentors, as Jesus said in Matthew 18:34,35.

Rejection and self-will and lust for position is the common denominator and
root of most slanderers and railers/revilers.  There is deliverance from
rejection and its fear
<http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=deliverance > .

These people are not qualified to judge, for they themselves are sinners.
 {2Co.10:6} and being in readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your
obedience shall be made full.  These people usually do not prefer to face
the ones they accuse in front of the righteous because they know they cannot
stand up in the light of the truth of the Word they would be faced with.
 {Psa.11:2} For, lo, the wicked bend the bow, They make ready their arrow
upon the string, That they may shoot in darkness at the upright in heart.
 They are ³Christian² Snipers.

UBM forgives these people of all of their backstabbing attacks.  Like Judas,
they are necessary for the crucifixion of the body of Christ but also like
Judas they hang themselves with their own hands and woe be to them, as Paul
said.  We have pled with them for peace many times and they have
consistently refused. Therefore, they are turned over to the tormentors, as
Jesus said. {120:6} My soul hath long had her dwelling With him that hateth
peace. {7} I am [for] peace: But when I speak, they are for war. ...
{Isa.48:22}There is no peace, saith the Lord, to the wicked.

Here are some verses the Lord gave me about the constant slander and railing
we endure from these kinds of people:

{Jud.8} Yet in like manner these also in their dreamings defile the flesh,
and set at nought dominion, and rail at dignities [or glories]. {9} But
Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the
body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The
Lord rebuke thee. {10} But these rail at whatsoever things they know not:
and what they understand Naturally [in the letter], like the creatures
without reason, in these things are they destroyed. {11} Woe unto them! For
they went in the way of Cain [to kill their more spiritual brother], and ran
riotously in the error of Balaam for hire [paid by their flesh to do evil],
and perished in the gainsaying of Korah [who usurped authority not his].
{12} These are they who are hidden rocks in your love-feasts when they feast
with you, shepherds that without fear feed Themselves [feed their own
flesh]; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn leaves without
fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; {13} Wild waves of the sea,
foaming out their own shame; wandering stars [not keeping their position in
the heavenlies], for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved
forever.

{Psa.52:1} Why boastest thou thyself in mischief, O mighty man? The
lovingkindness of God [endureth] continually. {2} Thy tongue deviseth very
wickedness, Like a sharp razor, working deceitfully. {3} Thou lovest evil
more than good, And lying rather than to speak righteousness.  Selah {4}
Thou lovest all devouring words, thou deceitful tongue. {5} God will
likewise destroy thee for ever; He will take thee up, and pluck thee out of
thy tent, And root thee out of the land of the living.

{55:18} He hath redeemed my soul in peace from the battle that was against
me; For they were many [that strove] with me. {19} God will hear, and answer
them, Even he that abideth of old, Selah [The men] who have no changes (born
from above by the Word), And who fear not God. {20} He hath put forth his
hands against such as were at peace with him: He hath profaned his covenant.
{21} His mouth was smooth as butter, But his heart was war: His words were
softer than oil, Yet were they drawn swords. {22} Cast thy burden upon
Jehovah, and he will sustain thee: He will never suffer the righteous to be
moved. {23} But thou, O God, wilt bring them down into the pit of
destruction: Bloodthirsty and deceitful men shall not live out half their
days; But I will trust in thee.

{3Jn.9} I wrote somewhat unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have
the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. {10} Therefore, if I come, I
will bring to remembrance his works which he doeth, prating against us with
wicked words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the
brethren, and them that would he forbiddeth and casteth [them] out of the
church. {11} Beloved, imitate not that which is evil, but that which is
good. He that doeth good is of God: he that doeth evil hath not seen God.


David

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David's SECOND email response

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Subject:     Re: Time to repent, David
Date:     Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:44:19 -0500

This is what is happening Doug.

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=christiansnipers#Lost

Those people began to contact everyone several days ago and all of it is a lie.

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David's THIRD email response

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Subject:     Re: Time to repent, David
Date:     Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:58:07 -0500

Doug

a person should hear from the accuser, not second and third hand. That is gossip. Mat.18:15 says they must come to me, not you. And then bring another with them 16. These slanderers always disobey the Word. You should tell them to come face me instead of shoot me in the back as these vision say.

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=christiansnipers#Lost

Read the commands in this article. None of the slanderers obey them.

David

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Doug's SECOND email response

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Subject:    Re: Time to repent, David
Date:   Mon, 03 Jan 2011

David,
I'll take all that as a, "No, Doug, I'm not going to repent for anything."

I know what I saw and why I was sent there. I'm not on anyone's team and I'm not spreading hearsay. I'm just stating what I KNOW to be true and what I saw myself. Then people can judge for themselves.

And I can't hardly see how you're holding up "100% agreement in the room" as self-justification since most of the people in that room you had already told weren't hearing God (and were sending away), Bob Aicardi is dead, and Mitt Jeffords, the guy you gave airtime to and later turned on as a false prophet. So as near as I can tell, it's just your word against mine.

Rejoice! It's all for your good. God knows what He's doing and it's all part of the plan. So if you twist in the wind and squirm around to try to threaten people or destroy or anything other than seeking peace and reconciliation, then we'll know that you're not really obeying the command of Jesus to rejoice. (Matt. 5:11-12)

You err substantially. I don't think someone that sets themselves up as an "elder" is owed Matthew 18:15-20. You're an elder, so you get I Timothy 5:19-20. What you said and did was public, so you get responded to publicly. That I reached out to you privately first is grace, not owed to you. You chose to teach, so the judgement on you will be harsher. (James 3:1)

If you're going to use Matthew 18 as a way to test someone's righteousness, then let me point out that you did NOT follow that with me at all. You never brought another witness to me before you went public with your lies about me. So you stand condemned by your own words. You stand condemned as a disobeyer of the word and a slanderer. By the measure you use, you will be judged. I have bullets in my own back, David.

It's all gonna come home to roost, David. Pray hard. It's not too late for you to humble yourself and be reconciled to God.

Doug

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David's FOURTH response - Note that in the first part, his responses are interwoven in my orginal email. His are in bold for ease of understanding. 

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Subject:     Re: Time to repent, David
Date:     Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:05:57 -0500

On 1/3/11 11:51 PM, " This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it "
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> David,
> I'll take all that as a, "No, Doug, I'm not going to repent for anything."
>
> I know what I saw and why I was sent there. I'm not on anyone's team and
> I'm not spreading hearsay. I'm just stating what I KNOW to be true and what
> I saw myself. Then people can judge for themselves.
>
> And I can't hardly see how you're holding up "100% agreement in the room"
> as self-justification since most of the people in that room you had already
> told weren't hearing God (and were sending them away), Bob Aicardi is dead,
> and Mitt Jeffords, the guy you gave airtime to and later turned on as a
> false prophet. So as near as I can tell, it's just your word against mine.

There were 7 men besides you and they all corrected and prayed for you. It seems you continued to spread demons after you left here. We received e-mails about you from all over the country with people complaining you were imparting demons to their friends. We filed them all because I knew you would continue to slander.

> Rejoice! It's all for your good. God knows what He's doing and it's all
> part of the plan. So if you twist in the wind and squirm around to try to
> threaten people or destroy or anything other than seeking peace and
> reconciliation, then we'll know that you're not really obeying the command
> of Jesus to rejoice. (Matt. 5:11-12)

I have threatened no one. We will post all the e-mails to prove it.

> You err substantially. I don't think someone that sets themselves up as an
> "elder" is owed Matthew 18:15-20. You're an elder, so you get I Timothy
> 5:19-20. What you said and did was public, so you get responded to
> publicly. That I reached out to you privately first is grace, not owed to
> you. You chose to teach, so the judgement on you will be harsher. (James
> 3:1)
>
> If you're going to use Matthew 18 as a way to test someone's righteousness,
> then let me point out that you did NOT follow that with me at all. You
> never brought another witness to me before you went public with your lies
> about me.

This is false we have all the e-mails. In that room everyone corrected you as the witnesses will prove. Many actually saw demons in you. No one permitted you to lay hands on them for a tune up as you called it. Then you had a pity party. I tried to comfort you afterwards but you just left insulted.

> So you stand condemned by your own words. You stand condemned as
> a disobeyer of the word and a slanderer. By the measure you use, you will
> be judged. I have bullets in my own back, David.
>
> It's all gonna come home to roost, David. Pray hard. It's not too late for
> you to humble yourself and be reconciled to God.
>
> Doug
>

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David's FIFTH response

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Subject:     Re: Time to repent, David
Date:     Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:11:31 -0500


Here is one of the latter ones:

That Doug Perry is apostate . From what I understand from witnesses that were part of his ministry he changes ³spiritual² wives at the drop of a hat.  And the witnesses were not vicious when they exposed him, just warning others.

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Doug's THIRD response

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Subject:     Re: Time to repent, David
Date:     Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:44:33 -0500


Do you even LISTEN to yourself? Do you have ANY sense that others have the same rights that you are demanding? On the one hand you insist that people with a complaint should come to YOU or they can be dismissed as sinners, then you hold up a witness like this that you never encouraged to come to ME.

THEN you go on and on about second-hand witnesses and hearsay and you quote something like this?! Did this person read a letter, watch a video? How more THIRD-hand can this quote be. They have heard from somebody that heard from somebody - who is totally credible by the way - that Doug is doing something wicked. That quote you sent me would be IMMEDIATELY dismissed in any court of law, much less the Bible's standard for a real witness! You show no discernment - or justice - at all and just want to hear what you want to hear. That accusation is, as you say, "illegal," because it's hearsay, gossip, third-hand and didn't come to me. So by your own rules of evidence, it's a lie on its face, just for that. (Besides being factually wrong and wicked anyway.)

Never did YOU come to me with this accusation. NOR are you seeking truth, simply screeching. Keep it up, Dave. God will sort it out. I know how YOU felt about my time there, but what REALLY happened is entirely different. I'll tell my side - which has never been heard - and people can decide for themselves.

Doug

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David's SIXTH response - threats, hearsay and slander


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Subject:     Re: Time to repent, Doug
Date:     Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:25:36 -0500

Doug

We are getting ready to let the witnesses expose you to millions as soon as you publicly slander us.

How many wives have you had now?

We¹ve just started on this.


Who is Doug Perry and Why is he Lying about UBM?

He is into Adultery, Bigamy, Spiritual Marriages, Stealing.
http://www.youtube.com/     (Doug's Note: See, here's the thing. It's bad enough that David is going to give these lies more air time, but I don't see any reason to put them here too. All he did was gather ANY shrill voice that supported his claim and agreed with him. No testing, no discernment, no love, no balance, nothing but the hearsay and gossip that he rails against. If you're determined to fill your head with lies, go to David's site and find the links.)

Follows demonic voices to depart from scripture. Spiritual Wife Number 3 as
of this date. Prays to kill people in the ³Spirit². Is Sadomasochistic.
http://www.youtube.com/

Doug Perry cult ­ ³really weird stuff² - Voices ordain ministers falsely
http://www.youtube.com

This is Shere (formerly of Doug Perry¹s group):   (Technically, someone I spoke to on the phone a handful of times and has never been here.)
http://www.youtube.com/
http://www.youtube.com/
http://www.youtube.com/
http://www.youtube.com/
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http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress

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David's SEVENTH response - more of the same

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Subject:     Doug Perry Cult - 2
Date:     Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:59:16 -0500

Still working on it

Who is Doug Perry and Why is he Lying about UBM?

David: When Doug first came to us in December of 2006 to Bob¹s house there were about 8 people besides him in the room. Everyone immediately saw demons in him and a prophecy came forth correcting him. He wanted badly to lay hands on the brethren but all refused and began to patiently correct him and pray for him. He pouted like a little child with a scowl and his lip poked out. I tried to comfort him but he doesn¹t believe the scriptures. He has spoken against me every time he could ever since. Many from his own cult have come to rebuke him for perversion in the You Tube videos below. We of course do not agree with everything said but God is opening eyes across the country. We will post some very revealing e-mails concerning him below.

He is into Adultery, Bigamy, Spiritual Marriages, Stealing.
http://www.youtube.com/         (SEE EMAIL ABOVE)

Follows demonic voices to depart from scripture. Spiritual Wife Number 3 as
of this date. Prays to kill people in the ³Spirit². Is Sadomasochistic.
http://www.youtube.com/

Doug Perry cult ­ ³really weird stuff² - Voices ordain ministers falsely
http://www.youtube.com/
http://www.youtube.com/

Doug Perry is the Red Dragon ­ Ignores his own teachings.
http://www.youtube.com/

This is Shere (formerly of Doug Perry¹s group):    (SEE EMAIL ABOVE)
http://www.youtube.com/
http://www.youtube.com/
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http://www.youtube.com/

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress

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Doug's FOURTH response

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Subject:     RE: Doug Perry Cult - 2
Date:     Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:48:16 -0500

Keep working at it. Gather more hearsay. Prepare more slander. You haven't yet really plumbed the depths of "diabolos."

I don't think you get this at all. I don't think you really read and understand what I'm saying. I'm not scared of you. I'm obeying God and I don't even care what the outcome is, God said it was time to call you out. I think you're lying through your teeth about your ability to get "millions" of people to hear anything, but even if you aren't, I'm looking forward to it! Please just go ahead and launch your little lie missile. Cause I'm not backing down.

It's hard to believe how far you've fallen. This is really sad. You're spending you're day scheming and planning and trying to defend yourself and crucify others - and you're breaking all of your own rules you've set for "evidence" from others. So you did a Google search with my name and found a list of links. Wow. What discernment you have. You don't know them from anybody, you don't know their fruit or what sins are in their life - but now they are all your "expert witnesses" - second and third hand though they be. And you claim to be "unleavened"? Sorry, David, I'm seeing the leaven foaming up over your cup and splattering everyone around.

Keep at it. Speak my name as much as you can. Tell the world. Let all your venom out. May the Lord Jesus Christ expose His Truth to all - even the ones that don't want to see it.

Doug

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