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Regarding
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On July 12, 2008, Andrew Strom
published an open rebuke and warning on his discussion forum at
RevivalSchool.com about Fellowship Of The Martyrs and Doug
Perry. He made quite a number of assertions and
accusations. Doug (and others) responded back, but Andrew
closed the thread and deleted the final post from Doug. For a
long time, Andrew has withheld from making his feelings about Doug
and FOTM public. Likewise, for a long time, Doug has tried to
reason with him and not made it public. Andrew forced this
issue and the Lord says that it's time for all the shepherds (good
and bad) to have their skirts lifted so everyone can see. Below
are a long list of emails back and forth between Doug and Andrew
dating back to November 10, 2004. Other information is posted
here as well so that you can see.
Pray that the Lord God Almighty
would give you discernment and help you to see His TRUTH and nothing
but. Test and see if the public image and the private behavior
match up. Be sure that you are not following Man - not Andrew
and not Doug. Seek Jesus only! Pray real hard about if
you're even supposed to waste time with this can of worms or if
you're supposed to go spread the Gospel or feed the hungry or heal somebody.
Our goal here is not to call
Andrew a "cult leader" or scrub him out of the Body or hurt
the Sheep. The goal is simply for people to see that the accusations
made are not based on anything other than Andrew's personal pride
problem and a lack of discernment and ability to hear the voice of
God. We pray that if he will not hear after trying again and again to
reach him, then maybe the Body will show him the need for repentance
and humility. That he might be a useful vessel fit for real revival.
Andrew, you're wrong and
you've been wrong. Just say you're sorry and let's get on with
bringing real revival and uniting the Bride. Please, Brother. I
didn't want to do this. You didn't have to make it go this way.
If you don't turn, you're going to get pushed farther and farther
from the front lines. Please, Brother.
Video Rebuke
of Andrew
Positive
testimonies of people radically changed by FOTM and what God is
doing in Liberty
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(THESE ARE OLD EMAILS AND
NEARLY ALL BUSINESS, PERSONAL, CELL PHONE NUMBERS, WEBSITES AND EMAIL
ADDRESSES ARE NO LONGER VALID. THERE ARE SOME EMAILS THAT ARE
OMITTED THAT ARE TOTALLY UNNECESSARY - DISCUSSION ABOUT DOING A MOVIE
TOGETHER, VIDEO CAMERAS, CONFERENCE DETAILS, ETC. OTHERWISE,
THIS IS AN UNEDITED LISTING OF CORRESPONDENCE.)
{MY VERY FIRST
CONTACT WITH ANDREW}
----- Original
Message -----
From: Doug Perry
To: revival4@pars.net
Sent: Wednesday,
November 10, 2004 1:52 AM
Subject: Attention Andrew
Dear Brother,
We need to talk
right away. I think I might be a part of what you're praying for. God willing.
Please get ahold
of me by one of the methods below.
Doug Perry
President, AcrossCountries.com
1134 W. Kansas
Ave., Liberty, MO 64068
(my cell phone 816-419-8540)
(my home phone 816-587-8135)
Office (816) 792-4792
Fax (816) 792-4694
Doug@AcrossCountries.com
{ANDREW CALLED.
WE WENT TO LUNCH. HE INVITED ME TO HIS SUNDAY NIGHT MEETING.}
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----- Original
Message -----
From: Doug Perry -
Built To Last
To: Andrew Strom
Sent: Friday,
November 19, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: NEW WEBSITE!!
I got it!
I registered: www.WhatHaveWeDone.org
Whaddaya
think? Pretty much sums it all up, eh? Nothing there
yet. Just the name.
Hey, and it was
really great having lunch with you. Wanted to hug you when you
first got there, but you know ... that's just weird.
;-) So I owe you one.
We're in the right
place at the right time. Praise God! It's going to be so
much fun!!
Doug
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----- Original
Message -----
From: Doug Perry -
Built To Last
To: Andrew Strom
Sent: Saturday,
November 20, 2004 9:11 AM
Subject: CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Here's an early
Christmas present for you.
You're now the
proud owner of
www.AndrewStrom.com
www.AndrewStrom.org
www.AndrewStrom.net
Couldn't believe
they were available! You may decide never to use them, but at
least nobody in opposition can either. I would consider putting
at least something there so that search engines can be redirected to
your main site. If you do a web search for "andrew
strom" the engines will find these new sites first, because the
terms are in the domain name.
Mainly I think
this is damage control to keep someone else from using it and showing
at the top of the rankings with a message you might not want ranking
above you with your name on it.
Doug
{HE NEVER USED
THEM AND THEY EXPIRED EVENTUALLY, BUT I OWNED THEM FOR A TIME AND HAD
CONTROL OF THEM FOR A YEAR OR TWO.}
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----- Original
Message -----
From: Doug Perry -
Built To Last
To: Andrew Strom
Sent: Sunday,
November 21, 2004 6:30 AM
Subject: Hey.
Check this out!!
Not sleeping much
lately. Been praying God would fix it so I didn't have to.
There is too much to do. Seems to be working so long as I'm
doing something for him, I don't get tired. As soon as I take a
break and turn on the TV or go get a cookie, I'm sunk.
But as long as I'm here focused, I can go all night and be fine the
next day.
Anyway, I'm hoping
you can get to this site already, I just put it up. I'm
pumped! A lot of pieces are already in place and I think it
will have a good start right out of the gate.
Take a look at
this page. http://whathavewedone.org/unarguable_axioms.htm
I think it's
pretty much ready - and it's powerful. I want to add scripture
references to all the footnotes, but I'll get some brains working on
that. Chip in if any of them grab you. Lots of other good
stuff on there and I haven't hardly moved over 1/4th of my own stuff,
much less anybody else's.
Set up an email
distribution list already too.
I just think it's
slick as snot. Could be wrong - but probably not. ;-)
Doug
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----- Original
Message -----
From: Doug Perry -
Built To Last
To: Andrew Strom
Sent: Monday,
November 22, 2004 12:22 AM
Subject: Hey
Just a reminder to
send me info on the Tuesday night meeting.
Also, I'm REALLY
sorry for taking so long talking tonight. I've just been
itching for it for so long. It was all I could do not to jump
up when YOU were talking! But that's no excuse.
Thanks for sharing
your pulpit with me. I'll do better.
You're a good brother.
Doug
{ANDREW LET ME
SPEAK AT HIS SUNDAY NIGHT MEETING. I HAD A LOT STORED UP TO SAY!}
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----- Original
Message -----
From: "Andrew
Strom" <astrom@revivalschool.com>
To: "Doug
Perry - Built To Last" <doug@builttolasthome.com>
Sent: Monday,
November 22, 2004 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Hey
I am fine with
what you shared, brother. I little bit long, but not too bad.
Some good meaty comments for people to chew on!! Overall I enjoyed
it. But in preaching, "less is more" sometimes. Too much
can sometimes overload people. That is why I believe God will help
you boil this thing down to a bunch of punchy, strong, convicting
points - to preach with full effectiveness. But it was still good.
One thing that I
should mention. If you want to give us "Spirit-filled"
types a rebuke - which is fine! - then it pays to maybe talk about
the 'Charismatic movement' or the 'Prophetic Movement' rather than
the Kansas City prophets. That is too narrow and could be taken
wrongly. I talk about them a lot - but that is because I know deeply
the whole issue there. I just thought I would share this, for the
future. But what you said overall was good. I liked it!
The address for
the meeting Tues night is as follows:
1012 NE Hunters Road,
Blue Springs,
MO 64014.
Come "prayed
up" if you can, brother.
The time is
6:30pm. We have a bit of food and then a meeting.
Please let me know
that you got this address OK?
God bless you!
Andrew.
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----- Original
Message -----
From: "Doug
Perry - Built To Last" <doug@builttolasthome.com>
To: "Andrew
Strom" <astrom@revivalschool.com>
Sent: Monday,
November 22, 2004 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Hey
Got it. Want
me to bring a snack?
Do you have
contact information on James and his family that was there last night?
God's inspired me
to write some of what I was talking to his oldest kids about last
night. I'll email it to you when it's done. Powerful.
Also, I got the
email list set up so people can start signing up to my new list.
Had lots of page views last night and this morning, but not a lot of
visitors. Some body went home and got on the new site and read
EVERYTHING that was there. There's a lot I still haven't loaded
up. Praise God. It's going to go fast!
Doug
{ON NOVEMBER
23, I WENT TO THAT MEETING AND GOT RADICALLY TURNED INSIDE OUT!
THE VIDEO STORY OF IT IS HERE - http://martyrs.ning.com/video/video/show?id=1971475%3AVideo%3A1404 }
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{THIS IS THE
EMAIL WHERE I INTRODUCE ANDREW TO DAVID SERVANT FOR THE FIRST TIME
AND SUGGEST HIM FOR THE 'JOHN THE BAPTIST CONFERENCE.' THIS HAS
PROVEN VERY VALUABLE TO BOTH OF THEM.}
----- Original
Message -----
From: Doug Perry -
Built To Last
To: Andrew Strom
Sent: Sunday,
November 28, 2004 5:01 PM
Subject: Web resource.
http://www.shepherdserve.org/dmm/dmm_nine.htm
Jesus' favorite
preacher. Was very encouraging to me.
David and I have
emailed back and forth. He's singing the same song.
Would be good for
the John the Baptist conference.
Doug
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----- Original
Message -----
From: Doug Perry -
Built To Last
To: Andrew Strom
Sent: Sunday,
November 28, 2004 2:42 PM
Subject: Dream
last night
Doug Perry
Last night I had a
dream: (Early on 11/28/04)
I was walking
around the inside of a beautiful church building. The sancturary was
gigantic and full of people. I walked through the
education wing - the carpet was think and plush, everything looked to
have been perfectly coordinated between the architect and interior
designers. Only the best of everything. The walls were purple
and panelled. In the youth area there were kids sitting in the
hallway chatting instead of in class. They were making fun of
everyone coming up and down the hallway, looking for anything odd or
different about them to comment on hautily. They mocked me because I
carried a bag. The bag was full of materials about missions and
the needs of the lost and dying and the persecution of the
martyrs. But it looked like a purse and one teenage boy made
fun of it. So I hit him with the bag and he burst into
tears when it touched him.
I peeked in one
beautifully painted room and three people were watching the TV
mounted on the wall were there was a closed circuit broadcast
of the service going on in the sanctuary. They were sitting on
a comfortable plush sofa chatting and watching because they didn't
want to sit in the big auditorium with everyone else. The sermon was,
"What we can learn from the Greek Gods about how to build a
church." The various characteristics of Zeus, Apollo,
Aphrodite, Hera and others were being considered and the essential
characteristics of each applied to the process and application of
designing the "perfect" church.
In the next room
were many youths learning about the archaelogy of Cuzco and Chaco and
their astronomical/astrological meanings. Every classroom was full
and every classroom was talking about something OTHER THAN Jesus and
repentance. I could feel myself getting more angry with every
step. Pleading with God for just ONE room somewhere that was on
their knees begging for repentance, but there were none. There
were people that I knew in some of the rooms. People that I had
taught in the past, but didn't like the message I carried and were
more comfortable here.
Everything was
perfect and shiny and new. And everyone was content and felt it
a good use of their Sunday morning. And the whole thing was
about to be turned into rubble by the hand of a jealous God who has
had enough. I stood in the hallway and shouted, "This is
wrong! This is death! Where is Jesus? Where is repentance?
Where is the Spirit?" The pastor's wife came and told me
I needed to quiet down and go because they didn't allow disruptions
like that. So I dusted off my feet and left.
The dream ended.
{NO RESPONSE
THAT I CAN FIND OR RECALL. AT THIS TIME WE WERE TALKING ON THE PHONE SOME.}
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----- Original
Message -----
From: Doug
To: prophetic@revivalschool.com
Sent: Sunday,
February 20, 2005 2:02 PM
Subject: ANDREW - YO
Hey,
Checking in to see
if you're having prayer meeting tonight. Couldn't get through
on the phone. Probably Emily and I will come down at 6pm if you are.
Big stuff
happening here. I heard everything you had to say about the
Fellowship of the Martyrs. Made some adjustments. Lots of
praying. It's NOT a "movement"! No structure or
plan, per se. It's just a place to speak Truth and encourage
people to practice it. Sort of a Truth Laboratory. Not
encouraging anyone to do anything other than focus on the basics -
seek Jesus, submit all, do only as He directs. Seems
intuitive, but a LOT of churches aren't teaching anything remotely
close to that. www.FellowshipOfTheMartyrs.com .
The first thing
that will fire off is the "Apology to the World"
letter. That's the thing that needs saying. Was written
VERY carefully and with much prayer.
I just uploaded
the site today. Feel like it's time. Still lots to do,
but can't wait anymore.
God has me
fasting. Last meal was last Sunday dinner. Since Thursday
evening I don't even get fluids. So I'm over three days now
without anything at all, even water. Only by the hand of
God. I'm down 16 pounds since last Sunday, but feel fine.
I can't even fast a single day on my own power because of
hypoglycemia. No sign when it's going to end. Might not
be till after the conference! Not sure. I've begged Him
to help get the weight off of me. And I need more wisdom and focus.
God is good!
Doug
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----- Original
Message -----
From: Doug
To: prophetic@revivalschool.com
Sent: Sunday,
October 16, 2005 8:05 PM
Subject: Hi Andrew.
Hey Brother,
Big things are
happening here. God is on the move in Liberty! I don't even know
where to start, but we're seeing healings and deliverances and
salvations in my furniture store! People are coming from all over the
world to help. We're feeding and clothing the poor. Every day is full
of miracles. And God has been faithful to grow me and send people to
advise and counsel and rebuke (if necessary). I really believe this
month is going to see something really big break loose up here.
I don't know if
you're back home yet, but when you get in town and have a chance to
breathe, maybe we should talk. In the meantime, this is an article
that I don't think you have seen, but might be good if you are
looking for something to send out. It's about as short an article as
I'm capable of. ;-)
Blessings.
Doug
{NO RESPONSE}
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{THIS POST WENT
OUT TO ANDREW'S EMAIL LIST. I EMAILED HIM IN REFERENCE TO THIS.}
----- Original
Message -----
From: "REVIVAL
List" <prophetic@revivalschool.com>
To: <anzac@welovegod.org>
Sent: Thursday,
February 09, 2006 10:04 AM
Subject: [revival]
ONE MAN PRAYED!
"Father NASH"
-(author unknown)
In the
battlefields of the spiritual world the true heroes are often unseen
by the world. These are the ones often touched by heaven, who breathe
the rarified air of the secret place of the Most High. Such a one was
Father Nash a partner to the much better known evangelist Charles
Finney during the Second Great Awakening.
Daniel Nash
started as a preacher in upstate New York. His record there is
singularly unremarkable. At age 48 he decided to give himself totally
to prayer for Finney's meetings. Nash would come quietly into towns
three or four weeks in advance of a meeting, gather three or four
other like minded Christians with him and in a rented room start
praying and bringing heaven near. It is reported that in one town all
he could find was a dank, dark cellar, but that place was soon
illumined with holy light as he made in the place of intercession. In
another place as Finney relates:
{snip}
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From:
"Doug Perry - BuiltToLast" <doug@builttolasthome.com>
To:
<prophetic@revivalschool.com>
Subject:
Re: [revival] ONE MAN PRAYED!
Date
sent: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 16:53:25 -0600
Brother,
Please hear me,
this email you just sent out confirms what I've been saying - this is
about TOWNS and it's about groaning and intercession. Finney didn't
bring revival to a building on one intersection, he brought it to a
whole TOWN.
I keep trying to
tell you. That's what's going on here. God sent the right people, we
claimed the town, revival is coming. We're seeing people get saved,
get full of the Holy Spirit, get healed, get delivered, get a word
of knowledge and/or get fed and clothed nearly every day in my
furniture store! How many testimonies of transformed lives would you
like? I'm in contact with bunches of the pastors here and other
elders in town and they're on board. God is sending people from all
over the world to Liberty for this. Rick Walth is coming in April
with his big tent to do street evangelism and preach revival - sent
by God Himself, not by some slick talking of mine. Tons of others
folk are telling me that God has told them to keep April free and
they're going to be in Kansas City for something big. We've
been feeding and clothing and giving furniture and beds and all kinds
of stuff away to the poor. We've substantially and extravagantly
helped well over 100 families from what God has provided to just my
furniture store. We are preaching holiness of heart and steadfastness
of faith and faithfulness in prayer. We're doing ALL the stuff Mike
Bickle was supposed to do, but didn't.
We have artists
and musicians and street preachers and all kinds of folks showing up.
I have a pastor coming from Kenya (God willing) for several months to
help and learn how to restore the Body in his town. I know DOZENS of
people who have moved into Liberty in the last few months because God
specifically sent them. Even people getting married within days of
meeting each other because God is making teams and time is getting
short. And these are faith-walking WARRIORS, not burned-out angry
"wilderness Christians". We're in contact with people
called by God to restore their City Church on four continents.
I've been groaning and weeping for the Body since Nov. 23, 2004 when
YOU prayed on me.
Brother, I will
stop everything I'm doing and drive down there at any time day or
night - or meet you anywhere - if you will sit with me and just
listen. It's all in the Word and I can prove it to you. This is about
restoring the New Testament communities and bringing revival. All the
stuff you say is on your heart.
You've changed a
lot since the first John the Baptist conference - and so have I.
Let's not get stuck in what was. I've repented to you for what
happened - and I meant it. Big stuff is coming, We need to be
fighting the enemy, not each other.
Please hear me out.
Doug
816-792-4792
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----- Original
Message -----
From: "REVIVAL
List" <prophetic@revivalschool.com>
To: "Doug
Perry - BuiltToLast" <doug@builttolasthome.com>
Sent: Thursday,
February 09, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: Re:
[revival] ONE MAN PRAYED!
I'm very glad to
hear all of it brother. I love it, in fact!
But you showed me
last year what "ambition" is in your heart - and so I
cannot share these wonderful things with my List any more. Have you
prayed about your 'ambition' and how you want to be the "center"?
I await your reply.
God bless!
Andrew.
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----- Original
Message -----
From:
"Doug" <doug@builttolasthome.com>
To: <prophetic@revivalschool.com>
Sent: Friday,
February 10, 2006 2:50 AM
Subject: Re:
[revival] ONE MAN PRAYED!
Brother,
What do you mean
you're glad to hear it and you love it? I don't have the
slightest clue if you're being sincere or sarcastic or spiteful or
what. Either we're doing what God is telling us to do here or we're
not. If we're not hearing God then we're dangerous. If we ARE hearing
God then maybe you should come see what's going on for yourself, just
in case I'm right that it's going to spread all over Kansas City and
then the world.
I have spent much
time on my face in the last year. I have spent much time fasting and
praying. In fact I'm down about 70 pounds since you prayed on me. I
don't want to be the center. Christ alone is the center. But I said I
was willing to do whatever He wanted. (You don't need to worry about
me creating some giant personal following, the whole point of this is
that EACH town will raise up it's own leadership. There will not be
any over-arching heirarchy and control structure. When the Body of
Christ in each town stands as one, they will have all they need to
self-govern and minister.)
Every big thing in
history always starts with ONE guy that sets his face like flint and
won't be moved. Somebody has to be the one they point to.
Wigglesworth or Finney or Evan Roberts or Luther or King David or
Gideon or John the Baptist or Jesus. It's always about one guy. And
everybody else says he's full of pride because he's at the center.
But maybe all he did was say he was willing and God used him to kick
it off. If I really were all the things you've accused me of, why in
the world would I keep trying to talk to you? Why wouldn't I have
just written you off - or worse, why wouldn't I do everything in my
power to embarass and defame you so as to justify myself? If I'm so
ego-driven, why have I begged and pleaded with you and humbled myself
to try to get you to listen? Why have I prayed for you so often?
Because you have a big email list? Surely not! I could buy a list of
100,000 Christians for $99. It's because I know the Lord is
waiting for you and He won't let me give up trying to show you what's coming.
I've repented A
LOT to the Lord (and to you) for what happened at the John the
Baptist conference. I didn't do what the Lord told me to do and there
is a LOT of blood on my head. I was supposed to repent before
the people and I didn't. I was supposed to weep and pray and I
didn't. He showed me what to do, He told me it would be annointed, He
told me it would flatten the place and He would come. But I
thought it would be better to tell stories about myself and spout off
about whatever dopey thing I thought I understood. And I
grieved the Spirit. If you think you can make me feel any worse
about it than Almighty GOD can, bring it on. I was contrite and
broken the night BEFORE your phone call to rebuke me. I did some good
stuff for folks. I hugged them and cried with them and prayed with
them - one lady got saved and delivered Sunday night. But in the big
picture I pissed you off AND I screwed up the ONE thing He sent me
there to do. I get that. I'm not going to get it any better
than I already get it. I sat in your living room right before
the conference and the Lord spoke clearly, "I WILL fulfill my
promise to Kansas City. Don't get in my way." And I got in
His way.
But, Brother, it
wasn't just me. Can't you see? The best time of the whole thing was
that little piece of time on Sunday morning when we all sat down and
shut up and HE was fully in charge. Everybody agreed that it was
precious and He was heavy in the air. Was that duplicated at the
other conferences? Why not? Why didn't we do NOTHING BUT that?
It was a repentance conference and we had the heaviest hitters I
think have probably ever been brought together in one place and we
never once all hit our knees and repented for the sins of the Church
of America (or even the error in Kansas City that spawned so much
badness!) and stood in the gap and weeped and mourned before the
altar for the giant mess we've made! How are we going to preach
repentance and ask people to weep and mourn if we're not willing to
show them how?! They will not go where YOU won't lead them, Andrew.
They won't go where I'm unwilling to go. If leaders want their people
to hit their knees and cry, they better be willing to do it in front
of them. Wasn't that the power of the Welsh revival?
I'm not the least
bit concerned how flaky you think I am. I'm not trying to
redeem myself in your eyes. I know what God has called me to do and I
am unswayed by any man. I know that He has a plan and that it's
gigantic. I know that He is sending help and resources beyond
anything you or I can imagine. I know that big, undeniable signs and
wonders are coming to Liberty, Missouri real soon. There won't
be any avoiding it soon. It will not fail because Andrew Strom isn't
involved. But it's what you were sent here for and I don't want you
to miss it - especially because you're mad at some stupid thing I did.
The Lord doesn't
care a lick about your "list". He gave it to you, it's His
anyway. He wants YOU and He wants you humble and willing. And He
wants you listening to Him and not struggling to find the next big
quest or controversy. He sent you for REVIVAL in KANSAS CITY and
you've been doing everything BUT that. You've had conferences around
the country, you've talked about street music, you've been to the
Gulf and to Texas, you've taken up and dropped one cause after
another. If God is fully in charge of ordering your steps, He must be
walking you in pretzels. Or you're wandering around on your own.
Revival is coming
to Kansas City. You know that. That's why you are here. It IS coming.
You know Mike Bickle isn't going to be the one to do it. He blew his
chance. So far there's no evidence that what you are doing is going
to bring it either. Have you got a Father Nash? So where is it
going to start? What if it starts in Liberty? What if I'm a Father Nash?
What if it already
started and you've been so hurt and unforgiving from what happened
between us that you're too stubborn to listen after I've begged and
pleaded with you time and again. I've tried very hard never to be
nasty or spiteful or to strike back at you publicly. No matter what
you've said to me I've just tried over and over to reach out to you.
Not for your email list - but for YOU. I don't want you to miss
what God has for you and you just might if you don't lay down the
bitterness. Search your heart. You would not even pray with me after
you rebuked me. You never said you forgave me. You say "God
Bless!" to me like clockwork at the end of every email and phone
call, but you don't mean it. Not really. Most of the time I think you
mean, "Kiss Off!". If you meant "God Bless"
then you would correct me in love and show me where I'm wrong and not
blow me off and hope I'll go away. God put me in your path. YOU
are responsible for me. If I'm spinning out of control then you
should set me straight. I know that I haven't been given
permission to give up on YOU. We are one body. There's just no
getting around it - we share one Spirit. Like it or not, He put us in
each other's path and I don't think we're done yet.
I don't care about
your list. I want you to walk in holiness so HE can direct your
paths. And He's not - because you have a root of bitterness with me
that remains unresolved. If it's of man it will fail and if it's of
God nothing can stand against it. You've got two years now in which
you've admitted that it has been scattered and seen little fruit
compared to what could have been. So was God in charge of all that
stuff or not? Was He directing your paths or wasn't He? You've
repented for taking up the wrong causes and yet at the time you were
sure that it was God telling you to do it. Maybe you're having
trouble hearing Him because you're not really fully walking in
holiness as long as you haven't forgiven me and you insist on
dividing the Body of Christ by wishing I'd go away. Ultimately,
I'm going to accept responsibility for it because I was the one that
created the offense in the first place and planted that seed. And I'm
really sorry. And if something I did bound you in any way, may the
Lord please release you right now, in the name of Jesus.
Consider that if
it was ANYBODY but me and there were reports of this stuff going on
in Kansas City, you would probably go and check it out. Consider that
if this really is a move of God, then He's going to personally
straighten me out or eliminate me from the equation. NOBODY is going
to stand in His way this time around! Maybe it's something
between you and I that is keeping you from seeing what's happening
here. And if you're supposed to be a part of it (or learn from it or
correct it or replicate it elsewhere), it would be a real shame to
have to explain to God later why you missed it. Not to mention all
the blood on our heads for allowing personal junk to keep us from
saving souls.
Brother, please
hear me out. Time is short. I think this might be the last chance you
and I are going to get. Please pray.
I love you and I'm
not going to stop loving you, no matter what happens.
Doug
Just in case ...
we're having a prayer and worship time at my shop tonight
(Friday) at 7pm. We'd love to have you.
1134 W. Kansas
(152 Hwy) - 792-4792
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From: "REVIVAL
List" <prophetic@revivalschool.com>
To:
"Doug" <doug@builttolasthome.com>
Sent: Friday,
February 10, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: DOUG
- Andrew
Doug - you wrote:
"Every
big thing in history always starts with ONE guy that sets his face
like flint and won't be moved. Somebody has to be the one they point
to. Wigglesworth or Finney or Evan Roberts or Luther or King David or
Gideon or John the Baptist or Jesus. It's always about one guy. And
everybody else says he's full of pride because he's at the center."
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Yes - but in no
way are your concepts "new". Do you not know that Peter
Wagner has an entire movement called the "New Apostolic
Reformation" that is devoted to 'City church' in every city? He
has hundreds and hundreds of leaders and "apostles"
involved. This has been going for years - and Francis Frangipane is a
big writer on this topic. Some places the pastors have already set it
up in their town.
Do I believe it is
a true Reformation? -No! But it is entirely based on your
concept - and much further along than yours. "City church"
is the whole thing they are doing. And they have big $$ and influence.
I don't like what
they are doing at all.
But do I like what
you are doing? -YES!
I have long
believed in 'City church'. Its just that I believe TRUE
APOSTLES must bring it about. -Just like Acts.
I like what you
are doing - and encourage you - but I believe you are some distance
from a true apostle. The thing you most lack is simply YEARS of
Spirit-filled experience. Many of your ambitions reek of immaturity.
But do I believe
in the kind of thing you are doing? - OF COURSE!
We ourselves are
moving forward this year with local stuff like that.
Give me a call
sometime - I am not your enemy. (816) 767-8825.
God bless!
Andrew.
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From:
"Doug" <doug@builttolasthome.com>
To: <prophetic@revivalschool.com>
Sent: Saturday,
February 11, 2006 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: DOUG
- Andrew
Brother,
Thanks so much for
calling today. It really meant a lot. I'm so sorry I didn't
have time to talk. I told you I'd drop everything and talk to you,
but I was kind of thinking I'd have a little more time to plan ahead. :-)
The delivery I had
to make was already late. I'm sorry for that. I'll call you.
I wanted to share
this one thing with you because if we talk about it on the phone it
will be so much easier if you've seen the graphic. I asked God for
something so simple any school kid could understand it - and this is
what I got. The added benefit is that even people who are violently
opposed to "the baptism of the Holy Spirit" CANNOT argue
with it! (Unless you believe holiness is impossible - in which
case you have bigger problems.)
Basically, are we
to "be being filled" with the Holy Spirit or not? How can
we walk in holiness without being full of Jesus? And it's a daily
thing - not a little squirt like the "mainlines" preach and
not a one-time thing like some charismatics preach. You don't STAY
full, you have to work at it all the time. He's our DAILY bread.
I just ask folks,
"Which one ARE you today? Which one do you WANT to be? Which one
do you think God wants you to be? If we pray for that, do you think
it's inside His will and He will answer it? Wanna pray?" Then
they get a big dose of Jesus and get full of the Holy Spirit. Some
get deliverance or healing when necessary. Some speak in
tongues right on the spot, some do later. (Some have been groaners!)
Doesn't matter to me whether they do or not, I just want the red
stuff out and them full of Jesus. He can sort the rest out with
them in His own time. Some get bigger cups and leave twice as radical
as they arrived.
We may even make
up T-shirts. Even with just the graphics, it's really
self-explanatory - and ALWAYS convicting. I've had PASTORS hang their
head and admit to me they had red stuff in their cup and couldn't get
it out. How are they going to lead people to conviction and
repentance if they have areas of disobedience themselves?!
Not trying to push
anything on you. Just showing you a tool that has been really helpful
here in graphically talking about personal revival and walking in
holiness. It really de-mystifies it for my poor Baptists. ;-)
I'd love to hear
your take on this.
Using this "cup"
model, I might just point out that, although I might not have
been FULL all that long, I've had blue stuff in my cup for 32 years
now. And a fair amount at that. I was hearing God, travailing,
interceding and seeing miracles, evangelizing, and had specific
prophetic dreams that proved true for nearly 20 years BEFORE you
prayed on me. (I just didn't know what to call it before.)
God put an unmistakeable call on my life on 7/7/84 and I turned it
over to Him. Even though I ran for awhile, it was just because I
couldn't see any way I could fit in the Baptist "church"
system. I never ran from God, I just knew I couldn't fit anywhere in
"full-time ministry" as it was structured. So I got in the
business world, and now I'm pretty sure that was His plan all along.
The yellow stuff
in my cup may not have been at this spiritual stuff very long the way
you have, but the blue stuff in my cup has BEEN the Holy Spirit since
the beginning. If the blue stuff is fully in charge and the yellow
stuff is just the inert sludge across the bottom, then HE has been at
this plenty long enough. I can't honestly say the blue stuff was
fully in charge of me a year ago, but it's getting a lot more like
that now. Time is getting short. We may have to get used to the
idea that some folks that got saved yesterday are out street
preaching tomorrow - and they're better at it than we are! It's all
just a matter of how transparent they are and whether the yellow
stuff or the blue stuff is in charge. (That's basically what
Wigglesworth used to say. It's about being transparent and useable.)
God bless you,
too. (And I know you meant it this time. Thanks.)
Doug
{NO RESPONSE OR
DISCUSSION ON THE CUP MODEL THAT I CAN FIND OR RECALL}
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From:
"Doug" <doug@builttolasthome.com>
To: <prophetic@revivalschool.com>
Sent: Monday,
February 20, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: DOUG
- Andrew
Hey Andrew,
I left a message
for you with one of your girls last week. I don't know if you
got it.
She said you
weren't feeling well. I hope you're better now.
Don't know if
you'll be available, but I'll try to call again tomorrow and catch
you. I'm sorry to put you off so long, it's just been non-stop
around here!
Thanks! God bless.
Doug
office 816-792-4792
home 816-587-8135
{SOON AFTER, WE
TALKED ON THE PHONE}
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----- Original
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From:
"Doug" <doug@builttolasthome.com>
To: <prophetic@revivalschool.com>
Sent: Friday,
February 24, 2006 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: DOUG
- Andrew
Hi Andrew,
Thanks for your
time. I really enjoyed sharing with you. I'm really glad we're moving
a different direction. If we're going to preach restoration, I guess
we ought to model it in our own relationships. ;-) I know the
Lord is pleased. Thanks again.
Below is that
email that I talked about. It's probably the most comprehensive thing
I've written to show that something big is happening here. Whether
it's bigger than anything happening anywhere else, I have no idea. I
just know that we have a LOT being put on our platter and not enough
help yet. I think you'll hear some stuff that resonates with
you, particularly that your three step progression is echoed in
there. If it sounds a little over-excited, you need to remember that
I'm a cheerleader by nature (and probably calling) and I lean toward
wanting to rally people to action and hear them let out a big group
cheer for the home team. Not sure I can help it.
I also just sent a
letter out to all the "elders" in Liberty that I have
identified. It went out to about 100 pastors, heads of ministries and
charity works, associational directors, college professors - but also
some unlikely lay people, college kids, retirees, and others that are
actually better able to get prayers through to the Throne Room than
the "official" leadership. I'll send you that
letter in a few minutes. No rush or anything and it's already gone
out, so there's no fixing something at this point. Just have to pray
it's received with open hearts and see what happens. I really believe
the timing is right as we got a HUGE push to get it done this week.
Thanks for your
time and discernment.
God bless,
Doug
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REFERENCED ABOVE}
Hi Doug, all,
Welcome Doug.
enjoying your postings here.
I think you are
right when the Lord's testimony is with a group of people it is
contagious and makes a huge impact on the area. I do have
a couple questions for ya. when you say the headship of
Christ can you describe how that looks to you in a corporate
sense. also can you describe what is happening in liberty
that verifies a lampstand there.
Ken M.
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{MY RESPONSE TO
KEN - FORWARDED TO ANDREW}
Hi Ken,
Starting at the
end, I know that I know that there IS a Lampstand in Liberty. If
you're in a place where you can ask God a question and you can hear a
clear reliable answer, then ask Him if I'm right. No amount of
"proof" is as good as just hearing it from God. If you're
not in a place where you can ask God a question and get a clear,
reliable answer you're probably going to be the first casualty when
the heavy warfare gets started. Better fix that and get all the
static out of the line. (Hint: tearful repentance and raw, naked
obedience works good for that.)
That's my first
choice. Just ask God if I'm right. Barring that, there are layers and
layers of things we're seeing that are evidence that there is a
Lampstand. But we need some Lampstand Theory 101 first. What does it
look like when there is a Lampstand? Acts 19 is a good example - Paul
goes in with just a handful of guys (NOT all the Christians in
Ephesus) and debates and preaches and argues and models unity - and
in the background is doing LOTS or praying and intercession warfare.
Next thing you know all the Christians in town are burning their
spells and magic books (350 man-years worth of income up in smoke)
and acknowledging Jesus fearlessly. WAAAAY more than the initial
twelve guys. He used the Lampstand to bring the BODY into obedience
first. THEN the rest of the town starts getting nervous because it's
wrecking the economy. Then there are riots in the streets and serious
persecution of Christians starts. So the main elements are
personal transformations, then Body transformations, then regional
transformations which may include economy, crime, charity, even
ecology. Like a spiral - or ripples in a pond.
So, what I would
expect if there WAS a Lampstand here is that when people come into
contact with it, they get polarized. Think of it as a giant power
source, a nuclear reactor. You have juice coming out and it's
positive or negative. If you see it as a move of God and embrace it,
the current rocks through you and your light increases. If you refuse
it, you're too connected to the "world" and you act as a
ground and the voltage either dissipates or fries you instantly.
Either way, the distance (resistance, magnetic repulsion) between the
poles gets greater and greater as the voltage increases. (I'm not an
electrician, so forgive me if I'm mixing my terms up.)
In Liberty we are
very powerfully and magnetically attracting people that resonate with
this. People are flooding into Liberty, Missouri from all over, and
when I ask them why, they either don't know for sure or they say
"Revival is coming and we're here to help" or some variant.
But they are AMAZING talents - musicians and writers and artists and
evangelists. I know dozens of them - mostly all outside the IC walls
- but many inside, too. We are now connected with people on four
continents called to restore their city church. Authors are popping
us TELLING us we're to publish the book the Lord gave them.
Ministries are contacting us asking for MILLIONS of dollars and I got
NOTHING to give them - but I know I'm supposed to help them.
Businesses are starting with products created by God that we're
supposed to support. Gary is building a massive, God-designed
internet portal network to connect all the Bodies to themselves and
to every other Body. I heard just this week of increasing numbers of
pastors in town getting together spontaneously for prayer. Many of
the IC's in town have started praying for all the other ones in town
and they NEVER used to do that!! We have donations of clothes and
food and furniture and equipment pouring into my store to be
redirected to those in need. We have people coming nearly every day
to volunteer. So many that most are waiting until the big stuff
starts because we're not ready yet. My business went from 14
employees to ONE as God remolded it. Most of the staff at my
FOR-PROFIT business are now volunteers living on faith. I haven't run
payroll in months! I'd say that's a sign something supernatural
touched them!
We see nearly
daily deliverances and healings and people getting filled with the
Holy Spirit. I have people that have gotten closer to God in the last
couple of weeks then they did in YEARS in the IC. And they're
delivered of their addictions, hearing God really good, and getting
massive gifts of all kinds. We have dead-on accurate prophets that
have been at it for a month. We have seers and healers and
deliverance experts - that had never even heard of any such thing a
month or two ago!! It's a REGULAR thing for us to pray about
something and hear the same exact thing instantly. Yesterday Chris
was praying and asked the Lord to show Him what to get his wife for
valentine's day (very delicate thing with his wife right now) and the
Lord told me what he should get her and Chris got confirmation of the
very thing - down to the brand and model. We're seeing that stuff
every day, all day. God is also telling us of great big buildings in
town that He is going to have to give us for this. He's telling
farmers to start raising chickens and calves to give my FURNITURE
STORE to feed the poor! He told a guy to GIVE us commercial water
purification equipment that could provide thousands of gallons of
clean drinking water a day if (when) things really hit the fan. I
have giant ozonator, reverse osmosis machines sitting in the middle
of my office until we figure out where to put them! We have a lady
attached to us that has a cure for AIDS (and other stuff) that has
just passed FDA approval and is about to be released. Billion dollar
company as soon as it launches and somehow she keeps hanging around
my furniture store all the time because what we're doing is affecting
what she's doing. They were stalled out on approvals until she first
met us and then everything started moving REALLY fast. I have a
Disciples of Christ district administrator who is desperately wanting
to quit his job because he GETS IT (all of it), but God won't letting
him because he needs to be in there spreading it around to his 60+
churches in the area. God keeps sending the people to me from the
IC's - not the "official" leadership - but the one's God
annointed and set in there that are the TRUE pastors and prophets and
leaders if it was truly under HIS headship. And they are invariably
on board and waiting to launch.
Please understand,
while I have a couple of hundred people that have expressed an
interest in or support of what we're doing here, we have a core group
of about EIGHT people working at this out of my furniture store - and
not even full time. NOBODY from the IC's is really helping in any
substantial way. We have NO money. In fact, my multi-million dollar
business is now several hundred thousand dollars below zero and we're
all completely living on faith until something breaks - which better
be soon! We're supposed to publish books, but we're not a publisher.
We're supposed to supports thousands of people and send millions of
dollars to ministry, but we have nothing. This is totally and
completely freaky. I try not to even stop and think about it!
I meet people with
a gift of prophecy, they come into my shop, we pray with them and
they're back in a couple of days wanting to know what we did to them
because everything got louder and brighter and clearer. Everything
gets 'juiced up' - including the warfare against them. One pastor
brought us a box of bread for the pantry and was flat on his back for
three days right after under a massive demonic attack (by his own
admission). The Lord sent me to speak a word to one pastor about
personal holiness, which he totally received, and was immediately
down with a life-threatening flu for three weeks. Couldn't even lift
his head - but now he's better and been refined. Back in April we had
a small, private prayer meeting at my shop on a Tuesday night and
between 7pm and 10pm on the main drag in a commercial zone, someone
ritually sacrificed a cat right in front of my furniture store. No
mistaking it, slit throat, blood all over. Very specific. I did a
little jig when they showed me! I'd never been in a church where
someone sacrificed a cat out front! If there is a war between good
and evil and NO ONE is shooting at you, you're NOT dangerous!! We
also have a couple of IC's in town that have banned me AND anyone
that agrees with me from the building. But the true God-annointed
leaders inside them still come and find me anyway!! For about a year
now God has had me fasting and praying. I have hypoglycemia, so if I
miss lunch I get dizzy and shaky and fall over. But if GOD says to
fast it doesn't matter how long it lasts. For about a year now I've
been fasting on average four days a week without food or water. In
stretches of two to seven days at a time as He directs. In August it
was 21 of 31 days without food OR water. And I feel great (and lost
70 pounds). Fasting like that is a miracle and I'm not going to hold
it in.
The warfare
against us is MASSIVE - personally, spiritually, physically,
corporately, commercially - and I don't care. Nothing is going to
stop this ride as long as we're walking in holiness.
Additional
evidence is that it's messing with some of you guys pretty good!
Things are stirring that were long dormant. Reach out and grab this
live wire and your juice will turn up real fast. Can almost hear it
crackling, can't you? I can.
That's about 1% of
the story. If you spent a couple of days here you wouldn't believe
how much God is here. Any of that get your attention? You ready for
God to land on your town? Better take your vitamins.
If you didn't when
I sent my first email, go read this - http://www.thechurchofliberty.com/pdf/city%20church%20justification.pdf
.
Especially my
Summary at the very end. You can do this in your town! You
SHOULD do this in your town. It should have been done a long time
ago. The first step is repenting that there isn't ALREADY a pillar of
fire over your town. He wanted that all along. But He's just NOT
going to put a pillar of fire over an IC! It will take 13 seconds for
their denomination to send out press releases claiming it as proof
that they were right all along. If He's going to show up in a
massive, end times way, it's going to be over a WHOLE TOWN so nobody
can take credit for it. And He'll raise up local servants and elders
- or He'll send some in as apostles until it can stand on it's own.
But there won't be a heirarchy and there won't be any towns telling
other towns what to do. EVERYBODY will have to listen to God REALLY
good if we're going to get through this!
Of course, I could
be making it all up. So you better check with God and just do
whatever HE tells you. While you're at it, ask Him what He thinks of
me and whether I'm somebody you can trust.
Doug Perry -
Liberty, Missouri
doug@thechurchofliberty.com
http://www.TheChurchOfLiberty.com
My businesses, in
case you want to buy something:
http://www.BuiltToLastHome.com
http://www.AcrossCountries.com
http://www.BackYardGym.com
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